Abu Musab al-Zarqawi got pwned

[Sui Generis]

what a great job by the troops in iraq to kill that motherfucker, and f*** all those people who say the war in iraq isn't accomplishing anything

[SIIIIDRA]

Why is this in debate? It should be in Entertainment.

[Sui Generis]

lol

because i figure it is a strong thing for thsoe who support the war to stand on

and because the "we're only in iraq for oil" or the "war in iraq is not necessary" propoganda is so prevolent on this board

[Heron]

propoganda is so prevolent on this board
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I would say that the propoganda is boasting about killing this guy to try and convince America that this war is a good thing, and to try and make us forget about the 2,707 coalition deaths, 2,483Americans, two Australians, 113 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, three Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 30 Italians, one Kazakh, one Latvian, 17 Poles, two Romanians, two Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians in the war in Iraq as of June 9, 2006 and also the 18,254 U.S. troops that have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we killed that bastard but I would still prefer to have my family and friends back in the USA.

Originally posted by sui
and f*** all those people who say the war in iraq isn't accomplishing anything

I'm just curious, what exactly do you feel has been accomplished so far.

[static]

I think the accomplishments are:

Got rid of Saddam Hussein
Got rid of Dictatorship
Building schools, hospitals, etc.
Killed that guy

[imported_Jack]

I would say that the propoganda is boasting about killing this guy to try and convince America that this war is a good thing, and to try and make us forget about the 2,707 coalition deaths, 2,483Americans, two Australians, 113 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, three Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 30 Italians, one Kazakh, one Latvian, 17 Poles, two Romanians, two Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians in the war in Iraq as of June 9, 2006 and also the 18,254 U.S. troops that have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we killed that bastard but I would still prefer to have my family and friends back in the USA.[/b]

I don't think that its propaganda attempting to convince anybody of anything, I think its just good news thats being reported. Though, if you want to talk about propaganda, don't you think that the constant daily body count update by the media is also propaganda to lower morale and approval? The reason I say that is because it is war afterall, people do die. That part of war is inevitable, so constantly focusing on the negative aspects of the war isn't helping anything, but rather making the difficulties and struggles both there and at home worse.

If you have family and friends over there, it doesn't seem very uplifting and supportive to be leaving out any good that they are doing and pointing out only how many people have died as a result of their presence there.

[Heron]

Though, if you want to talk about propaganda, don't you think that the constant daily body count update by the media is also propaganda to lower morale and approval?
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That's not propoganda Jack that's the truth, and hiding the fact that their dying would be an insult to them and their families.

Originally posted by jack
If you have family and friends over there, it doesn't seem very uplifting and supportive to be leaving out any good that they are doing and pointing out only how many people have died as a result of their presence there

Believe me when I do get a chance to speak to any of them I praise them and thank them for everything that they're doing.

[Sui Generis]

indeed. well said jack

in addition to static's post, i think other accomplishments are:

beginning of a government in iraq based on their own choices, not of that of a dictator

a trusting relationship that will become less dependant with time between that of iraq and the US

creating a safer environment (progressively) for the iraqi people, slowly eliminating terrorist regimes.

also, i do not think it is propoganda to "boast" about killing the most wanted terrorist in the world. it is a great thing that this man is not able to hurt any more people. in case you didn't know, though i'm sure you were and you were just trying to make a point ouit of nothing, this man was one of those heading the 9/11 attack, as well as dozens of other terrorist acts in his days. propoganda for eliminating him and celebrating the end of his reign of terror? hardly.

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Originally posted by heron
That's not propoganda Jack that's the truth, and hiding the fact that their dying would be an insult to them and their families.

indeed it would be wrong to hide the death count of the soldiers in iraq. i know what jack was getting at, and it was that the press does not often show the lighter sides of war, but rather it takes deeper digging to find it. i for one know that there are great things being done in iraq, via pictures, testimonies, and unbiasted news reports. unfortunately, our media does not usually think showing a soldier hugging a newly liberated child is as good of a story as one that got murdered.

[Heron]

Like I said of course killing him was a good thing i'm not trying to say it isn't.

As for the whole new and free government that you speak of. Do you really think that will exist after we pull out from there?

[Sui Generis]

Like I said of course killing him was a good thing i'm not trying to say it isn't.

As for the whole new and free government that you speak of. Do you really think that will exist after we pull out from there?
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being that they have a prime minister and the vast majority of citizens WANT the government and believe in it, then yes, i do think there will be a government when we pull out.

note: i don't call the terrorists citizens; obviously they would offset the majority by a bit. frankly, i don't call them human either. besides the "religious purpose" behind their attacks, they're also killing people to disrupt their government. if they want their opinions heard, they should have done it peacefully. but that wouldn't be their style.

with all that said, again, i do think the government will hold up, so long as there is enough support from the citizens and military support to hold off the insurgents.