The first is an SS throw away ( i currently prefer the other tag I have made for SS even if it may not be as good)
the second, I used no c4d's/fractals and wanted to see what i could come up with
Cnc please :)
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6226/archeru.png
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6091/genis.png