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This thread is way too complicated for my participation, but I believe all this religion stuff is a system of control....
Kept it short and sweet Ryzee, good point too.
Krazee brings up an interesting point as well, but unfortunately its a generalization. I dont believe all muslims are as fanatical as the Taliban.
Interesting point Ryzee.
I think that most religions (not all, but most) start out as a genuine beleif system, not to control but to express a faith. However power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly. To see this you just have to study the interaction of Politics and the Caltholic Church over the last 1800 years or so (not the last 100 years).
Same has happened with all religions to a greater or lessor extent.
One thing though, a lot of leaders use religion to control the people, to keep them in line. Nothing is better than saying, if your against your leader than your against your god. In egypt, the Pharoah was god, in England the King/Queen is the head of the Church of England, in a few of the Islamic coutries the Islamic law and enforcers have more weight and power than the earthly leaders.
Some of the dictators in South Africa use religion, the KKK used religion (albiet twisted). Almost every dictator will use whatever weapon they can to lay claim to the dictatorship that they have, and if they can use religion, they often do.
i imagine some religions have been started as a means of control, but generaly most of the current ones I dont think have been. However that doesn't stop humans from using the religion to control people or justify what they do. Look at Beruit or Serbia/Croatia... look at parts of Malasia or the Phillipines, parts of Africa.
I didnt say that they were. I have Muslim friends who can accept the differences between the religion however Ellusionist as a muslim, do you think what the Taliban and terrorists of the Islamic faith is logical? Wheres the logic in blowing up people in the name of Allah?Quote:
tabloid* Posted Today, 03:37 AM
* Kept it short and sweet Ryzee, good point too.
Krazee brings up an interesting point as well, but unfortunately its a generalization. I dont believe all muslims are as fanatical as the Taliban.
when did i say that what they did was right ... i never said that !! :D
but we were talking bout out diff in religions !
the main topic was that jesus is not the Son of God .. and God cant have a Son thats in Islam and judaism ..
so dont change the Subject :D
And obviously you have the wrong God because God has a Son called Jesus. Your God and my God are different as I have said before and you dont know Jesus therefore u cant say that God has no son when you dont know God. Therefore u lost that debate man - And dont bring up logic again cause all that you say is illogical
if a prefect thing or a unique thing have a Son then its not unique anymore !! :D
Allah is the name of the true One God in the Arabic language. In the Hebrew language His name is Eloh, Elohim for respect. It is well known that when a word is borrowed from one language to another it’s spelling and pronunciation is often altered. It is, therefore, reasonable to say that Eloh and Allah are names of the same Deity of Abraham believed by the three monotheistic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Islam is the most rigorously monotheistic religion among the three dedicated to the worship of Allah, never seen by a human eye.
Actually the subject was do you or do you not believe in God? :DQuote:
Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST@Apr 26 2005, 03:16 AM
when did i say that what they did was right ... i never said that !! :D
but we were talking bout out diff in religions !
the main topic was that jesus is not the Son of God .. and God cant have a Son thats in Islam and judaism ..
so dont change the Subject :D
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Subjects change all the time, this one has now evolved into religious fanaticism. I think Krazee brought up a good point about killing in the name of Allah, however Christians and Catholics did it for years centuries ago themselves. So... if you're going to ask Ellusionist to explain whether or not its logical then you'll have to answer the same question yourself.
Thats what i wanted to say too ... !? any Answer KRAZEE ?Quote:
however Christians and Catholics did it for years centuries ago themselves. if you're going to ask Ellusionist to explain whether or not its logical then you'll have to answer the same question yourself.
Well, I totally forgot about this post until a second ago...
So fill me in, what are you all talking about?
My answer to that is that there is no justification for those acts. However I can say that Christians DID NOT and i say DID NOT participate in these acts. It was the Catholics of the European region who went on Crusades in which they killed many Jews as well as non-christians. These acts done by the Catholics are the same as any other killing in the 'name of God'.
Its a pity that im not a catholic, or else you would have a point against me but im not! I think theyre quite wrong in their teaching and in the way they portray Jesus and God. Many people put Christians and Catholics in the same group but i do disagree. Christians believe in God,Jesus and Prophets and also in the teachings of the Bible. Catholics however do not read the Bible or base any of the Catholic teachings specifically on the Bible. The Bible is a fundamental part of the Christian faith and when it is neglected as it is in the Catholic religion then im not sure that you can say were of the same religion. They also believe in Mary as being significant more so than Jesus and, i dont see how or why the Catholics see the Pope as being a God -
Thats not quite correct Krazee, but I understand the point your trying to make.
In the early years of the 'church', it was the Catholic church. As in any organisaton the initial reason for the organisation was forgotten and only the self perpetuation of the organisation became the main goal. This happens ovr and over again in many organisations.
The pope isn't seen as a god or as god, but he is considered infallible (adj. Incapable of error in expounding doctrine on faith or morals). Part of the Catholic church uses symbols, including saints and the virgin mary, as a means of focusing worship and prayer. This is partly historic, going back to the ages when reading/writing wasn't available to the 'commoners' and also to help subdivert local religions into the Catholic religion.
They have extra books in the bible, when compared to the Protestant Churches.
Part of the caltholic hold on governments and people was the fact that all bibles were in latin, services were held in latin, but people spoke a different language. The king james bible was designed to be a bible the common people could read (well the ones that could read).
I wont get into a discussion about how the various denominations started, but it's not only about the version of bible (which isn't normaly the reason), normaly its about geography (eg. Greek Orthodox or Russian Orthodox) and ideology.
Now it is my understanding that this has happened in the Muslim faith as well. I know you have the Sunni's and Shi's. Also I know there are differences between physical locations (Arab East compared to Northern Africa).
So I don't think its fair of Ellusionist to use the different denominations or bibles as an argument considering the different types of Muslim's, their different interpritations, etc.
What i meant was that before the great reformation there was only the Catholics and now there are Protestants. Doesnt justify their acts which were sins and punishable by eternal death unless they repented.
However i think the situations are completely different and for completely different reasons.
Nope u got it wrong, there is sunni and shi'e but still the Same book no Versions .. the only diff is the sunni favor the prophet kalifs (Sahaba) ,,, but the shi'e favor the prophet's family .. thats it ... but we use the same one book Quran (No Versions) no Interpretations to the Book, Same Believes and so on .. and same prayers same everything :DQuote:
So I don't think its fair of Ellusionist to use the different denominations or bibles as an argument considering the different types of Muslim's, their different interpritations, etc.
P.S: plz check ur info before u say something :D
P.S 2: the Quran is Protected from any interpretations or having many other versions that wont happen, only one and thats it .. and u gonna see that while life goes on :D
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Originally posted by tabloid@Apr 26 2005, 05:01 PM
Actually the subject was do you or do you not believe in God? :D
Subjects change all the time, this one has now evolved into religious fanaticism. I think Krazee brought up a good point about killing in the name of Allah, however Christians and Catholics did it for years centuries ago themselves. So... if you're going to ask Ellusionist to explain whether or not its logical then you'll have to answer the same question yourself.
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I can try and answer this..didn't bother reading the rest to see if someone else gave their answer or not so here goes..
I think that the Christians and Catholics had no choice back in the midevil times..as opposed to today with the Taliban..they do have a choice. They choose to fight against us and they chose to bomb the US multiple times and such..whereas the Midevil warriors and such didn't really have a choice. They had to fight whether they were 15 or 40 years old. The king made them do it and they also have a different sence of 'honor' back then IMO whereas we today just say 'We are Americans and we love the USA' (or Canada in your terms) If you've ever heard of Joan Of Arcadia..you can relate to her with this subject. She fought for her country under the Glory of God. The story goes like this: God told her to fight for her freedom and such..I think thats the basic..I haven't studied her enough. She was only 15-18 years old when she started fighting, and was eventually burned at the stake. That was a sense of 'honor' for her country back then..whereas today someone might go into a Black neighborhood and say they hate blacks..and then get shot and killed...that would be a sense of 'honor' today
BTW I'm not racist at all..thats just a way to distinguish my point..I also have black cousins..so I can't be racist :D
Hope this sorta answers your question Tab.
Just a correction - You are saying that Christians ( Protestants ) went and killed many non-believers, but it was theCatholic church which did what you claim. Dont want to sound like shifting the blame but there was only the Catholic church back then before reformation.
my opinion on all this is that this god stuff is bullshit, no offense to anyone :blink: but thats me ;)
i dont even know why im posting this :lol:
Look and belive in one.
That IS the main subject in ALL religions.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddish and Hindu.
All have "The One"
So really, how far are we off?
Jews and Christians trust in the same God, different Testament to be a Jew or Christian.
Jew read and follow ONLY The Old Testament and Christians read and folow the Old and New Testament but mainly the New.
Muslims follow the Koran but much speculation come from the orignal writtings to now.
People have told me personally, that the Koran is filled with murder, blasfamy and tells the people who follow Alah, to hate or even kill the "infadeels"(Non-belivers of the Muslim religion).
If this is true then damn.
But I really don't think it is.
Buddish and Hindu are close to the same like Christians and Jews, just a few different things.
This topic is about God.
So overall, there is someone or something out there.
Something that is a glimmer of hope to the rest of use.
There is a God, too much evidence to say there is not and too much FAITH to say there isn't aswell.
Buddhism and Hinduism aren't even close to eachother, let alone Christianity, Jeudaism, and Islam. The Hindi religion has many many gods but the religion is far to complicated to call them "gods" you need to study the religion to understand it, it's not at all comparable to Christianity or Juedasim. Buddhism doesn't even have a god. A god figure is not a common thread in world religions. The only true commonality is a reason to exist. There has to be something more than us, the mass majority can't handle the idea that we're just a coincidence, a single blip in a sea of meaningless blips. "who am i", "why am i here", "what should i do", these are the questions that religion seeks to answer. But they're all just made up answers.Quote:
Originally posted by Kritacul@May 4 2005, 09:05 AM
Look and belive in one.
That IS the main subject in ALL religions.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddish and Hindu.
All have "The One"
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Buddish and Hindu are close to the same like Christians and Jews, just a few different things.
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There is a God, too much evidence to say there is not and too much FAITH to say there isn't aswell.
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I don't know.Quote:
Originally posted by unit_number_43@May 4 2005, 10:44 AM
"who am i", "why am i here", "what should i do", these are the questions that religion seeks to answer. But they're all just made up answers.
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I've always been told to follow one or the other voice in my head.
You know, the little angel or little devil.
So overall could your own self-consince.
You know.."The Voice"...so whatever
i think you just reinforced my statement right their "the little angel or little devil" both religious symbols used to embody religious dogma.
lol 43, agree with you one hundred percent.
I'm just waiting for some christian to quote the verse that talks about everyone knows right from wrong as the law is written on their hearts, and based on this they are judged.
But i've always had a problem with this, because your moral compass is a product of your environment, your upbringing, peer group influence, TV, music and choices you make during your life. Different groups of people have entirely different moral compasses, there is no 'standard'.
Personaly I listen to all the voices in my head, most of em are aliens, but ocassionaly i hear from some Pharoah's.
yeah they always say that .. even though they didnt even read the book .. just to make islam look bad .. :DQuote:
Muslims follow the Koran but much speculation come from the orignal writtings to now.
People have told me personally, that the Koran is filled with murder, blasfamy and tells the people who follow Alah, to hate or even kill the "infadeels"(Non-belivers of the Muslim religion).
If this is true then damn.
The most Common important Questions Are:Quote:
"who am i", "why am i here", "what should i do", these are the questions that religion seeks to answer. But they're all just made up answers.
1- Where did we come from?
2- What is the true purpose of life?
3- Where are we going after this life?
So u tell me what better Questions then these?! ... ahh let me see "when do i party, when do i f***, when do i get drunk" lol :D <=== these Questions r made up by low life losers teenagers .. :D
I'm not a teenager, for starters.Quote:
Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST@May 5 2005, 03:33 AM
The most Common important Questions Are:
1- Where did we come from?
2- What is the true purpose of life?
3- Where are we going after this life?
So u tell me what better Questions then these?! ... ahh let me see "when do i party, when do i f***, when do i get drunk" lol :D <=== these Questions r made up by low life losers teenagers .. :D
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I never said those weren't good questions. But they are meaningless questions with no definitive answers. Religion seeks to answer those age old questions, but their answers are fabricated...not deffinitive.
i second that!
Who Said only Religion is trying to answer this Question everybody is trying religion and none religion and scientist ...Quote:
I never said those weren't good questions. But they are meaningless questions with no definitive answers. Religion seeks to answer those age old questions, but their answers are fabricated...not deffinitive.
u think the answers are no difinitive but in our Religion (Islam) we do think they r :D
like i said there is ppl (Scholars, Scientists, etc.) that studies these things there hole life .. so i dont think a person lol from GFX wonderland can argue or say that they dont have a difinitive answer... becuase they have more knowledge than GFX wonderland ppl lol :D
P.S: go argue with a scientist or a scholar that are in religion .. lol :D like what happened to the "President of the Athiests in USA" in the CNN LARRY KING LIVE SHOW she got CRUSHED SON by the religion scholars (Christians, Judi, Islam) lol Mowahhahaah .. couldn't say shit!
ahhh yes, obviously charisma, people skills and ability to debate proves that someone is right. sorry mate, but something that happened on the larry king show aint going to hold any weight with me, because that show is designed to create entertainment. they dont care about an impartial debate properly moderated, all they care about is ratings.
There is a time and place for everything, and tv, who's god is money, just isn't one.
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Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST@May 5 2005, 12:24 PM
Who Said only Religion is trying to answer this Question everybody is trying religion and none religion and scientist ...
u think the answers are no difinitive but in our Religion (Islam) we do think they r :D
like i said there is ppl (Scholars, Scientists, etc.) that studies these things there hole life .. so i dont think a person lol from GFX wonderland can argue or say that they dont have a difinitive answer... becuase they have more knowledge than GFX wonderland ppl lol :D
P.S: go argue with a scientist or a scholar that are in religion .. lol :D like what happened to the "President of the Athiests in USA" in the CNN LARRY KING LIVE SHOW she got CRUSHED SON by the religion scholars (Christians, Judi, Islam) lol Mowahhahaah .. couldn't say shit!
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I don't make any claim to have deffinitive answers. But you do. As does your religion. Arguing religion with a religious zealot is less effective than yelling at a brick wall to move. And don't make any assumptions about my qualifications in this field, I imagine they are far beyond your own. Do not mistake my remarks for youthful ignorance, and don't assume I'm an athiest; you're far from correct. Your confidence in your religion looks to me, to be the same confidence the greeks had that Zeus was responsible for thunderstorms.
"Rely not on the teacher/person, but on the teaching. Rely not on the words of the teaching, but on the
spirit of the words. Rely not on theory, but on experience.Do not believe in anything simply because you
have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do
not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is
written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and
elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is
conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."
-Siddhartha Gauatama
You hold your answers to be more true than anothers. Ignorance and arrogance. They plague every organized religion. You all follow your own sects, without ever seeing that all of you're religions are connected. You bicker about little differences, while the bigger picture is ignored. You've followed the teacher, not the teachings.
I haven't seen the CNN interview that you mention, but I doubt I'd be interested in it. A) Atheism doesn't exactly have a strong figurehead, an organization of atheists kind of goes against the entire point. B ) Nothing can top fanatiscism on television, whoever yells the loudest wins as shown by MANY mistakes made in modern media. On MSNBC, during a debate a women quoted a survey saying that "children of same-sex couples are 85% more likely to be sexually abused." At which point the interviewer agreed with her and ended the debate. Later it was revealed that the "survey" was entirely fabricated.
...well...now i left to go do something else and i have no idea where i was. So... i'm sorry if all this seems out of place.
bloody good quote there 42, gonna look that name up. umm you didn't mean Siddhartha Gautama did you? either way, thats a very good quote which i hold very dear to my heart.
I try and teach my kids the esense of that quote above.
Also I take umbrage to the comment by Illusionist that I am not someone who can have thoughts about matters concerning the extistance of god and which religion is true. I'm one of the oldest here and very experianced in matters concerning life. I know the christian religion speaks of respecting one's elders, wonder if your one does too?
if it does, you had better learn to be more humble and show more respect.
yeah, sorry I meant Siddhartha Gautama I added an extra A in there on accident. Siddhartha Gautama is "The Buddha", or at least it was his name before he was enlightened. The quote is called The Kalama Sutra, if you do a google search for that term you can find some nice pages to print out and tape to your wall. The Buddha was a brilliant teacher, and I love his teachings. I think the current state of Buddhism is kind of sad, and some of it goes completely against his teachings...just unfortunate.
There is something called seeking the truth .. or comparing between stuff even though my religion is islam but im still searching .. and trying to find what makes sense .. not just going by it because i was born muslim no !Quote:
"Rely not on the teacher/person, but on the teaching. Rely not on the words of the teaching, but on the
spirit of the words. Rely not on theory, but on experience.Do not believe in anything simply because you
have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do
not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is
written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and
elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is
conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."
no teacher no nothing .. im my own teacher .. but i always go for what is logical :D
we all know that buddhanism was created by a humen and i think everybody knows that .. so i wont go with buddha thing .. even though three of my friends are buddhas .. but after i showed them the proofs and the logical things .. they left buddhanism .. and starting to want to learn more bout our religion .. because they r not blind like ppl nowadays .. most ppl nowadays u bring them proof they Say "oh thats not a proof" i think they r just saying that because they know its the truth .. that there is a One God .. and he had Prophets that lived on this earth.Quote:
Siddhartha Gautama is "The Buddha", or at least it was his name before he was enlightened.
but i think they still prefer Drinking, having fun, and chillin without a religion because its more easy life for them .. a humen is always lazy to do things thats his nature :D
but thats ok .. be patient this world is all bout patient and the time will come were no buddhanism can help u :D
*I have a Quesiton ... Lets say that there is a God and all the stories prophets r true .. and u die or the judgment day comes ... whats ur excuse gonna be to God? (and ur not a believer for example)
and lets say im right that there is a God .. and i went with the disblievers ... how im gonna face my God as a loser disbeliever? lol im sure the GFX guys wont save me lol :D
This is the Same Question Prophet Ibrahim asked his ppl (they were disbelievers)
P.S: Try to Compare between religions and read more .. between religions and what makes logic to u ... seek and search :D
Then they can tell them why they chose to not believe and have u ever thought when you die Ellusionist you were serving the wrong God? That you infact had to believe in Buddha or in the salvation of Jesus Christ, what will you say? You are trying to argue with men who have obviously made up their minds and have enough 'proof' to not believe in a God or One God and thats their decision. Does it not say in the Qaran that all men were created equal and that you should love you neighbour!?Quote:
*I have a Quesiton ... Lets say that there is a God and all the stories prophets r true .. and u die or the judgment day comes ... whats ur excuse gonna be to God? (and ur not a believer for example)
Metalskin and Unit43, you have shown some valid points and i respect you view and when i saw that quote thought about it but still religion, or my religion isnt about proof or enough physical evidence because there is none. It is about faith and having enough faith to live you whole life and then dying and having faith that when you die you will meet God and he will judge you for the life you lived according to the Scriptures.
there is one God we worship and its the God of all Prophets as well :D so there is no wrong God .. :DQuote:
Then they can tell them why they chose to not believe and have u ever thought when you die Ellusionist you were serving the wrong God? That you infact had to believe in Buddha or in the salvation of Jesus Christ, what will you say?
Allah is the name of the true One God in the Arabic language. In the Hebrew language His name is Eloh, Elohim for respect. It is well known that when a word is borrowed from one language to another it’s spelling and pronunciation is often altered. It is, therefore, reasonable to say that Eloh and Allah are names of the same Deity of Abraham believed by the three monotheistic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Islam is the most rigorously monotheistic religion among the three dedicated to the worship of Allah, never seen by a human eye.
so our God is the Same of the jews God .. and i think the chris is based on the judi...as well :D
P.S: KRAZEE i dont know which bible u read because u have to many damn versions of the bible, new and old etc.
I don't have an excuse, nor would I make one. If I am judged by "a god" (a god according to Islam, Judeuism, or Christianity) I will simply say "I spent my entire life studying religions, but did not pick one over the other. I adopted an amalgam of views, and lived a life I found to be "good". Whatever judgement is made, I am prepared for it."Quote:
Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST+May 6 2005, 12:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eLLuSioNiST @ May 6 2005, 12:14 AM)</div>I'm not buddhist either, you're making assumptions again.Quote:
but thats ok .. be patient this world is all bout patient and the time will come were no buddhanism can help u :D
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*I have a Quesiton ... Lets say that there is a God and all the stories prophets r true .. and u die or the judgment day comes ... whats ur excuse gonna be to God? (and ur not a believer for example)
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This statement really shows your ignorance to other religions. The Old Testament and New Testament are not "versions" of the bible. They are different sets of books, they come chronoligically one after the other. It's relatively safe to say that for the most part the Torah is pretty close to the accepted Christian Old Testament.Quote:
Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST+May 6 2005, 12:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eLLuSioNiST @ May 6 2005, 12:14 AM)</div>Why do you keep bringing up the GFX thing? So what if my job is being a graphic artist by day? Muhammed was a simple merchant in the stead of Khadijah, yet he bore the message god. Wisdom comes from everywhere, not just established religious leaders.Quote:
lol im sure the GFX guys wont save me lol :D
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I have read the Quran, the Torah, the Bible, Buddhist scripture, Taoist teachings, even the lessons of Confuscious. I have studied, for over 10 years of my life, every major religion (and some not so major). I am not an atheist, nor do i prescribe to any individual religion. I warn you again, do not make assumptions about me.Quote:
Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST@May 6 2005, 12:14 AM
P.S: Try to Compare between religions and read more .. between religions and what makes logic to u ... seek and search :D
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Now you tell me, what will you say when you die; and there is nothing. No heaven, no hell, no rebirth, no enlightenment, no energy fields, no black holes, no ghosts walking the earth, just ... nothing. Are you prepared to face nothingness? I am prepared to face whatever will come after this existance, are you?
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P.S: KRAZEE i dont know which bible u read because u have to many damn versions of the bible, new and old etc.
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Didnt mean u :DQuote:
I'm not buddhist either, you're making assumptions again.
Didnt Mean That ! Damn .... by versions i ment, Bible versions shows that they are really not the same. Some leave out entire verses, others disagree on whether Jesus should be called God's servant or God's Son and plus more they delete what they dont want and they leave what they want !!. THE DAMN BOOK IS INTERPRETATED Thats what i ment by too many versions !! thats why our prophet came to correct these interpretations !!Quote:
This statement really shows your ignorance to other religions. The Old Testament and New Testament are not "versions" of the bible. They are different sets of books, they come chronoligically one after the other. It's relatively safe to say that for the most part the Torah is pretty close to the accepted Christian Old Testament.
yeah Right !! .. i see where ur wizdom brought u to a GFX Forum lol and "how about u rate my Sig" lol .. anyways .. there is no such thing called nothingness .. so ur "everywhere wizdom" comes with a conclusion of "nothingness" wow what kind of wizdom is that ... anyways:Quote:
Wisdom comes from everywhere, not just established religious leaders.
It is only logical to believe that before anything was created there had to be a Creator. It is, also, only logical to believe that this Creator had to be an eternal being without beginning or end and that nothing could be like this Creator. It is this Unique Being, the Only Supreme Being worthy of worship.
hey hey watch ur language .. ur talking about a prophet here not some dude u know in a damn party !Quote:
Muhammed was a simple merchant in the stead of Khadijah, yet he bore the message god
ok then be Prepared and Good luck lol :DQuote:
I don't have an excuse, nor would I make one. If I am judged by "a god" (a god according to Islam, Judeuism, or Christianity) I will simply say "I spent my entire life studying religions, but did not pick one over the other. I adopted an amalgam of views, and lived a life I found to be "good". Whatever judgement is made, I am prepared for it."
When you say 'we' are you implying that me and you serve the same God?! Your so ignorant, you claim you only have one God and if you have even bothered to read the Bible you will see why your 'God' and my 'God are totally different and i have explained why!? And there is only one Bible with many translations. Over 30 people wrote the Bible and it is not contradicted once - Doesnt matter how many translations you have, still the same meaning.Quote:
there is one God we worship and its the God of all Prophets as well biggrin.gif so there is no wrong God ..
You wonder why some people choose to reject islam as a religion with people like you making a mockery of urself, ur religion and being rude to others here -Quote:
yeah Right !! .. i see where ur wizdom brought u to a GFX Forum lol and "how about u rate my Sig"
whoever gets the last word wins the argument, it seems. so you guys can keep going without me. If anyone actually wants to discuss this, instead of making jokes about the forum; you can PM me.
I have several times decided to depart this thread, as its obvious that trying to hold an intelligent conversation about such maters is beyond the capacity of some.
Have to admit 43, some of your comments have been interesting. You have read more about the different religions than I have, though I most prob. have read a lot more about christianity. I always find it interesting to share experiances and thoughts about different religious subjects, but unfortunatly this may not be the best forum for that.
So I will once again say adios to this thread, though i suspect I will find myself dragged back into it again.
Thanks Metal, I try not to be a stereotypical american ;)
I too have a feeling i'll get back into this again, but I'm sitting out for awhile.
