lol how the hell im insulting i didnt curse anybody lol :`) and im kewl as hell :P
P.S: thats kewl MetalSkin ... Take ur Time :`)
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lol how the hell im insulting i didnt curse anybody lol :`) and im kewl as hell :P
P.S: thats kewl MetalSkin ... Take ur Time :`)
I didn't mean you Ellusionist, I ment CrazyGamer.
Though when you get frustrated you do tend to get personal and throw some insults around.
I'll make a deal with you, I'll watch the video's if you read the book I quoted above. Though isn't there a scripture that says your not to read non islamic texts? Not 100% sure because i have never seriously studied the Islamic texts
the only Scripture in our Quran which it says:Quote:
Though isn't there a scripture that says your not to read non islamic texts?
"He hath already revealed unto you in the Scripture that, when ye hear the revelations of Allah rejected and derided, (ye) sit not with them (who disbelieve and mock) until they engage in some other conversation. Lo! in that case (if ye stayed) ye would be like unto them. Lo! Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers, all together, into hell;"
its the opposite God wants us to read like for example bout evolution or non islamic texts .. to compare and see which one makes sense .. and show us the proofs, when u compare.
ok Kewl that makes sense .. :`)Quote:
I'll make a deal with you, I'll watch the video's if you read the book I quoted above.
Also here is a link that actually supports evelution and gives the latest scientific findings. Might want to have a look. Also you want and example of evo, think about this farmers have to change to pestiscides everyonce in a while because the insects evolve to become immune to them. Also the fact that there is more then one race suports evolution if you think about it. I mean every race (there are five and when i find the name of each i will post) has there own characteristics. How would that happen if there was not evolution. And the fact that those traits seem to best be suited for the environment in which they live is another example. Oh and another one look all throughout primates and you'll find that in general there skelatol stucture is very similar to ours. Oh and btw your question earlier about dna, DNA changes overtime. At the beggining of the human race our dna was different then it is today. Even 2000 years ago we didn't even look the same as we do now. The differences might not be severe but they are there. Now I don't know if you read National Geographic but they recently did an article on evolution that was very very infomative. NE ways this link is to the website of one of the most reputable scientific journals. And it is up to date. Its a link direct to the evo section but if you want to check out the other stuff feel free. Very informative. But it can get confusing mind you. Also these are very isolated experiments and might not make much sense unless you take them all as a whole. So read this and tonight when i am on a different comp will check out the videos.
http://www.nature.com/evoeco/index.html
:sigh: the zealots will never believe in evolution. That's the thing about religion, it teaches you that any ideas beyond those allowed by the church are wrong.
A perfect example of evolution is the flu virus. Every year there is a new strain, requiring a new vaccine.
The list goes on and on. I really haven't seen anything conclusive that disproves the evo theory.
Alrite, you got me there! LOL - The proof i gotta give u ur not gonna accept. The Bible in your view is just a book written by some men to help explain things they could not, however im kinda starting to think that Science is your religion lol- I choose to follow my religion and in the Bible it explains how God created the universe and everything innit but you also have the science books. I have a God who created the universe yet u have scientists who write about evolution and the theories concerning that. I honestly dont see how you are right and i am wrong because i have no real solid-rock evidence from scientists to prove that im just a normal human being just like the rest of you, so why should i be 'wrong' in a sense because you dont believe in a God or even my God.
Because there is proof that evolution exists, as much proof as you can give to support such a thing. Religions track record to this point about matters of science hasn't been very good. If we followed religion the planet would still be flat, the sun would orbit us, earth would be the center of the universe, and they'd still be killing people for being "witches".Quote:
Originally posted by KRAZEE@1 Hour Ago
Alrite, you got me there! LOL - The proof i gotta give u ur not gonna accept. The Bible in your view is just a book written by some men to help explain things they could not, however im kinda starting to think that Science is your religion lol- I choose to follow my religion and in the Bible it explains how God created the universe and everything innit but you also have the science books. I have a God who created the universe yet u have scientists who write about evolution and the theories concerning that. I honestly dont see how you are right and i am wrong because i have no real solid-rock evidence from scientists to prove that im just a normal human being just like the rest of you, so why should i be 'wrong' in a sense because you dont believe in a God or even my God.
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Like I said before, if you want proof of evolution, take a look at the Flu virus. A new strain evolves almost every year, to bypass vaccination attempts.
Well we have our differences, but your right, religion does contradict wat the worlds view is and i guess thats the whole point of religion. Being different and set apart from the views of the world.
As for proof on evolution, i think the body and mind is way too complex to of evolved and when i do find the need to search for info on evolution then i might look into how the Evo theory is tru, but for now, ill stick to religion.
Religion is the opium of the masses - Karl Marx
i look at it this way.... if i claimed to be a deity and brought to you some book with a load of stories in................ would you believe me? hell no! so why believe in god? its exactly the same principle...
not to mention there is no evidence what-so-ever of gods existence ... none!
the bible contradicts itself many many many many times.
do you think that in a few thousand years time, someone will dig up a harry potter book and believe that it actually happened? :P
i really dont understand how people can have such faith and devotion in something that they owe nothing to and is likely not to exist!
w00t u guys really take this seriously dont u :huh:
I personally think that, Ill live my life, eventually die, and then see what happens, maybe ill go to heaven, paradise, a new life, or something else, or simply nothing. But i do not see a reason to speculate whats going to happen.
Maybe Theres a "god", maybe theres not.
But fighting over about it is just useless, a waste of time, everyone beleaves what they want to, ur not gonna change anyones opinions.
I dont really give a fuck, and u guys have stopped fighting a week ago, so why the fuck im posting this?
omg
Yeah infidel don't brink back week old topics.
omg cg, this topic has already been bumbed up like a million times. It dont matter if u bumb this.
and.
a week??
omg.
lol like a month would be worth complaining about.
personaly god is a bunch of bs no offence and so is hell is bs to we were all made by a single celled orgainmizem that was devolped over 100's of millions of years that evolved into apes then humands, but whats next? i hear its common now to have 6fingers and 6toes when your born,,,
i think that this whole i believe in god thing is just like the "what happens when you die" with all this heaven malarky.... my theory is that we make our own realities, what ever we believe in happens one way or another i don't think shoving down god down your throat is that way to do it or shoving down that there is no god down your throat will do it, in my opinion god is something that was made up to make people feel secure at help them overcome things.
my belief stands that you make your own reality and i believe we keep living our lives again and again and again.. tbh i think i make at least some sense in that whatever you believe happens, happens but that's just my two cents you can come up with your own realities yourself, hence what i just wrote :lol:
I think God was made made up #1: to control people in the early days. & #2: Because if you look at it based on what you "know", and that you die and then there is nothing at all, that is a reasonably scary thought so of coarse people are going to want some comfort from something, why not an all powerful being?
my point exactly.... almost... well one of them anyways :lol: :D
Alright. You keep stating that God doesnt exist and that there is no such thing as a God but if there was no God, why did people start counting years AD(Anno-Domini meaning in the year of our lord) and BC(Before Christ)?
Also, what do u have to lose? What if there is a God?
Take this as an example - Me and Jo (made up person) are living our lives. Ima christian and he is an atheist. We live our lives according to our beliefs and faiths and morals, and we die at the same time and i go to heaven because of my faith but he goes to hell because of his lack of faith. OR! I cease to exist and so does he because there is no God in the first place. I havent lost out and neither has he. But that is just if there is no God but i do believe there is so why not!
The Anno Domini wasn't developed until Christianity gained dominance around 500 A.D. Scholars then backtracked to calculate the time of Christ's birth. This system has nothing to do with proof that there is a deity.
The Roman Empire used a Imperial Regnal system, which calculated the reign of the Emperor.
People just use whatever is dominant in their culture to calculate time.
No offense to anyone in particular, but as for "What is there to lose?" well, the life of going to church, praying, all that religious bullshit, is uh, kind of a waste of life.
Because you can't Believe something if you don't believe it. Lol. That plan of yours goes against the whole idea of religion. You're not supposed to follow religion because you think there might be a chance that it's right, and you don't want to get screwed in the end. You're supposed to follow it because you believe it.Quote:
Originally posted by KRAZEE@10 Hours Ago
Alright. You keep stating that God doesnt exist and that there is no such thing as a God but if there was no God, why did people start counting years AD(Anno-Domini meaning in the year of our lord) and BC(Before Christ)?
Also, what do u have to lose? What if there is a God?
Take this as an example - Me and Jo (made up person) are living our lives. Ima christian and he is an atheist. We live our lives according to our beliefs and faiths and morals, and we die at the same time and i go to heaven because of my faith but he goes to hell because of his lack of faith. OR! I cease to exist and so does he because there is no God in the first place. I havent lost out and neither has he. But that is just if there is no God but i do believe there is so why not!
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I have alot better morals than alot of christians do. If going to church and praying to an invisible man is what makes the difference between heaven and hell. Well, I'd rather be in hell.
Nothing relating to religion was founded during the time of christ. The bible wasn't written until hundreds of years after his death. Like Shurai said already, AD and BC didn't come about until hundreds of years after too. If anything that juts proves how innacurate christianity really is. You're talking about a religion that was passed around by word of mouth for over 300 years. No forwarding or reply buttons on their emails, no fax machines. Word of mouth, for 6 generations. You can't prove god exists, that's why it's called faith. I, don't have faith in _your_ idea of god. And I don't see why anyone would want to force it on anyone else. If it's not true faith, then it's not real.
umm if im right the old testament was written before jesus, the new testament was wrote after he died. about AD and BC, saying that it proves how innacurate christianity really is is a load of bollocks. that doesnt prove a thing. like you said you cant prove god exists thats why its called faith.
umm if im right the old testament was written before jesus, the new testament was wrote after he died. about AD and BC, saying that it proves how innacurate christianity really is is a load of bollocks. that doesnt prove a thing. like you said you cant prove god exists thats why its called faith.
The Old Testament dealt with history and stories of Moses, Abraham and King Solomon. Although a mention of a messiah is brief, the New Testament deals with the story of Jesus extensively, which was written as said before, hundreds of years after he lived.
Also there is no archaeological proof of any of the stories mentioned in the Old Testament. If these events had actually happened, wouldn't well scribed neighbouring nations know about this? Such as Egypt, they kept extensive written records about the world. But neither any account on the Old Testament and its characters were published in Egypt until a hundred or so years after the first known scripture was written.
Rahting, of course I'm talking about the new testaments. We're talking about jesus an christianity.
Thanks for explaning shurai.
hmmm actualy I will have to correct shuri, there is actual archaeological proof of different places and events in the old testement. The old testement is not only a religious text but a historical text, based on historical events and places. But as in all historical texts with a religious context, often physical events are described in relation to religious goings on, just like Atlantis.
Though you do post an interesting comment, and that is proof of the characters as discussed in the new testement. Personaly I beleive that a lot of the people as described in the new testement actualy were real people. The old testement I suspect is partialy historical and some people would have been real people. And as such, historical non religious records of their existance will be hard to find because back in those days, such records are far and few inbetween.
As for BC and AD well in AD 523, the papal chancellor Bonifatius, asked a monk called Dionysius Exiguus to devise a way to implement the rules from the Nicean council (the 'Alexandrine Rules') for general use. At the time dates were commonaly calculated as the years since the reign of emperor Diocletian, but as a Monk he wanted to honor it around the birth of the Christ. If your realy interested have a gander at:
wikipedia - gregorian calendar
christian calander
various calander systems
From the last link you can see info about a host of calendar systems. From the history of the various calenders, one can presume that religion has always paid a big impact to the development each calender.
But as always I have yet to see any physical evidence for the existance of a god, let alone proof of any religion's view of their version of God. Just like I am yet to see proof of Ghosts/Poltergiest, Mediums, Alien Visitation, Witchcraft, Demons, Angels, ESP, etc. They're all lovely stories that involve the believer to believe without proof or with very flimsy proof, that woudn't stand up to any form of independant testing.
but after all the old testiment was written after all these events and such things could have been brough in to the bible to try and give more solid evidence that such religious events could have happened as we all know word of mouth is thrown out of the window because things can be misconstrued so applying things to places in history which could strengthen the arugement for the dispute which arises about christ and god and such...Quote:
Originally posted by MetalSkin@7 Hours Ago
hmmm actualy I will have to correct shuri, there is actual archaeological proof of different places and events in the old testement.* The old testement is not only a religious text but a historical text, based on historical events and places.* But as in all historical texts with a religious context, often physical events are described in relation to religious goings on, just like Atlantis.
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LOL How is it a waste of time? If i wasnt in church id be at home watching tv or playing PC, now thats a waste of time. And that is also your point of view. If in the end, after you die, you see there is a heaven and hell, you will see that instead of going to church and praying wasnt bullshit and you may indeed wish you went to church or prayed instead of "wasting your time"Quote:
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* No offense to anyone in particular, but as for "What is there to lose?" well, the life of going to church, praying, all that religious bullshit, is uh, kind of a waste of life.
The christian faith doesn't allow people to just attend church and go through the motions as a 'after life insurance'. This is all part of the 'Sheep and the Goats' which describes people for many reasons who try and get into heaven but they're told that Jesus/God doesn't know them.
So the concept of just going because your better off in church doesn't garentee a place in heaven, not via works will one get into the gates of heaven. Well according to the christain faith.
So actualy "attenting church, praying and all that religious bullshit" is a waste of time if you do not 'beleive' in the christian faith.
Gah .. This is a really a apples or oranges
I dont really agree with that statement. I myself am a Christian, and I make sure I never confuse belief with absolute certainty. I 'believe' I will be go to heaven, but there is absolutely no way I can proove for sure that I will.Quote:
Originally posted by unit_number_43@1 Week Ago
Because you can't Believe something if you don't believe it. Lol. That plan of yours goes against the whole idea of religion. You're not supposed to follow religion because you think there might be a chance that it's right, and you don't want to get screwed in the end. You're supposed to follow it because you believe it.
Consider this scenario.
You go to sit on a chair. The same chair you have sat on for the past 2 years. You now have faith in the chair because it has performed the same for 2 years without any problems. You sit on the chair and it suddenly snaps. You believed it wouldnt break, but it did. You couldve checked the chair before hand, but you didnt. Despite what you believed about the chair at that day and that time, it still broke.
My point being I 'believe' I will go to heaven, and will continue to spread the gospel and testimony of how God has acted in my life because I 'believe' he has worked within me. I also believe I wont get hit by a bus this afternoon on completion of this message, but how do I know......
wait, joy how does that have to do with 43's post.
if people dont push their faith upon me then i have no problem with it. the second some asshole comes to my door asking for money because their a "jehova's witness" i lose respect for their faith, because they have no respect for what i beleive in, which is absolutly nothing.
perhaps i should have quoted both comments
the first post that is of significance to my post was Krazee's
and then 43 replied withQuote:
Also, what do u have to lose? What if there is a God?
Take this as an example - Me and Jo (made up person) are living our lives. Ima christian and he is an atheist. We live our lives according to our beliefs and faiths and morals, and we die at the same time and i go to heaven because of my faith but he goes to hell because of his lack of faith. OR! I cease to exist and so does he because there is no God in the first place. I havent lost out and neither has he. But that is just if there is no God but i do believe there is so why not!
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Because you can't Believe something if you don't believe it. Lol. That plan of yours goes against the whole idea of religion. You're not supposed to follow religion because you think there might be a chance that it's right, and you don't want to get screwed in the end. You're supposed to follow it because you believe it.
comprende undertone?
jehovas wittnesses are gay.
They come to your door, try to sell something or just ask for money. When you try to say no thanks or whatever and close the door theyll block the door and keep whining and then u have to slam the door to their faces.
stupid bastards.
and they think their the only ones that dont go to hell.
but hey, this has nothing to do with anything around here so please, continue ^^
That really has nothing to do with what i said. I didn't compare belief to knowing. i compared belief to fear.Quote:
Originally posted by Invincible-Joy@5 Hours Ago
I dont really agree with that statement. I myself am a Christian, and I make sure I never confuse belief with absolute certainty. I 'believe' I will be go to heaven, but there is absolutely no way I can proove for sure that I will.
Consider this scenario.
You go to sit on a chair. The same chair you have sat on for the past 2 years. You now have faith in the chair because it has performed the same for 2 years without any problems. You sit on the chair and it suddenly snaps. You believed it wouldnt break, but it did. You couldve checked the chair before hand, but you didnt. Despite what you believed about the chair at that day and that time, it still broke.
My point being I 'believe' I will go to heaven, and will continue to spread the gospel and testimony of how God has acted in my life because I 'believe' he has worked within me. I also believe I wont get hit by a bus this afternoon on completion of this message, but how do I know......
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For example. If I hand you a gun and tell you the gun is empty and to put it to your head and pull the trigger. You probably wouldn't, because you don't believe me. Now if I took another gun and told you'd i'd blown your brains out if you didn't do what I said, then you probably would do it...but not because you believed me. You'd do it because you were scared of the consequences.
Dragoneye,
A ) They don't try to sell anything other than the word of god
B ) They don't believe that they are all going to heaven. They believe there's a set number that will go, and no more... but they don't know who those people are.
Actualy the whole JW area is very complex, which is beyond the subject of this thread in all honesty. But to say comments like "they're all gay" and "all they do is ask for money" is not based on fact and is just an expression of how you feel.
Actualy what you stated is a good example of beleif. You beleive that all JW's are gay and that they just ask for money. Obviously the fact is different and can be proven, also it's obvious that your beleif is based on your feelings about people who hassle you in your house. Most prob. your beleif is from what other people have told you (ie. hearsay) and not from direct expriance.
This is how any beleif system works. It's not about facts, it's about how someone feels. I have experianced a lot of fanaticism, and in every case it's all about emotions. This applies to any type of ideology, which can apply to politics, religion, country, operating system, development language, etc.
You know what's fun? Offerening JWs to come into your house, and then try to convert them away from Christianity :D.
Anyhow, like people before me have said, the New Testiment was written hundreds of years after the life of Jesus. As a result it's not hard at all to believe that the people, places, and events depicted in it have actual factual basis. However this does nothing to prove the existance of god, as there have been countless religions live and die before Christianity. You're not the first, you're not the last, and you're not even the largest at the moment.
As for "what is there to lose?", well there are many things you have to give up while submitting to a religion. Assuming you're a devout follower, which is rare in this modern world, you give up many of your freedoms as well as your right to think for yourself. Not only that, but you must conform to the group's morals and ethics even if they are not your own. I for one, will not blindly follow the pack.
I personaLLY dont believe I dont believe a world of hope and make believe worlds especially Islam is for me. I want to be in control of my life, not anybody else. You can obivously believe if you want, but what i dont understand are 2 things. Christaisn dont like Jews, jesus is the king of Jews. He is suposed to be mr miracle, where are all his miracles like parting of the waters?
RAb <_<
depends which camp you come from. some christians like Jewish people, other christians dont. The ones who dont are normaly involved in some very codified formalised form of christianity and refer to the jewish people as jesus killers.
This is realy stupid as Jesus was a jew as well, its not as though he was from the projects and some white cop killed him.
Also jewish people don't beleive that jesus was the son of god and/or the Mesiah, they don't beleive he performed the miracles claimed in the new testement. generaly they beleive he may have been a good bloke and sorta leave it at that. That sorta rankles with some christains. But then christains get upset at anyone who tries to say that the bible should be taken with a large grain of salt, that it may contain some historical facts, bu overall its just a good yarn.
Most religious people get upset when you start discrediting their basis of their religion.
But then there is an awful lot of support for the jewish people with fundamental christians, as they see the jewish people as sorta their relatives and all to do with revelations where the temple is rebuilt and so forth.
