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hmmmm I believe that if there is a god or gods then they apear to do nothing in out lives indiviually but interfere on a larger scale. For example, evolution etc.
The whole christianity/every other religion I think are just play ups. I think the bible was written to control people and so was every other holy book. If they were not written to control people then they were written to give some sort of belief so people would care about the world and themselves and actions which in a way I suppose is a good thing.
If everything happens for a reason, that reason can only be for us to learn from our mistakes and move on.
What then, if not Christianity, has introduced you and the rest of the world to the idea that there could possibly be some all-powerful force or being out there?Quote:
Originally posted by HellBorn Angel@1 Hour Ago
hmmmm I believe that if there is a god or gods then they apear to do nothing in out lives indiviually but interfere on a larger scale. For example, evolution etc.
The whole christianity/every other religion I think are just play ups.
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Umm...well let's see. You've got the American Indians who believed the sun among other (visible, I might add) celestial and earth bound bodies were a dieties. Hinduism which believes in an infinite number of omnipitant beings. Greek/Roman "mythology" which was a perfectly viable religion during it's time, that believed in multiple gods as well. Judaism, of course. Aten, which is an ancient egyption religion (a cult) which believed in monotheism, like christianity and judaism. Iconoclasm, another Egyptian religion; believed to be the first really hardcore monotheistic religion. They were the ones that started the "no idols before me" thing. Mazdaism of course, being the oldest monotheistic religion we know of; which was mainly in Persia. And of course Taoism which believes in a very strange sense of "god" they believe it's an undefinable source...really hard to explain and understand unless you've studied Taoism. Eastern religions are very difficult for a person raised with western philosophies to comprehend. And of course pagenism, specifically (because it's the one i know the most about) Gaelic pagenism. Oh and of course, the hot religion right now, Islam.Quote:
Originally posted by XRedBlazeX@3 Hours Ago
What then, if not Christianity, has introduced you and the rest of the world to the idea that there could possibly be some all-powerful force or being out there?
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so let's recap:
American Indians
Hindusim
Taoism
Greeks and Romans
Judaism
Aten
Iconoclasm
Mazdaism
Gaelic Pagenism
Islam
and those are just the ones I know about...
Christianity wasn't the first, and it won't be the last. If you study religion, you'll actually see that christianity took alot of its beliefs and symbols from other religions. For instance the cross was actually a gaelic symbol, around hundreds of years before christianity. The trinity was also taken from the gaelics.
one could argue that all current religions practiced in both easten and western religion are not in themselves unique. One could argue that the person or people who started the religion obtained ideas and concepts from other religions at their time.
This can be applied equaly to christianity, islam, Church of Scientology, Jehova Witnesses, Mormans, Judaism, Kabbalah, etc, etc, etc.
Christianity is the most obvious, mainly because the Catholic Church used local beleifs. Hence why most catholic (or any 'higher church') holidays, celebrations and saints are derived from other beleifs.
As they say, there aint any new storys, just old ones rehashed.
Well of course christianity (including the mormans, and jehova witnesses) stem from judaism, as did Islam. So they are obviously the same base religion with a couple of slick new mods added on for effect. Kabbalah is just a division (a book actually) of Judaism, much like Baptism is a section of christianity.
When you talk about Scientology though... I think that's a pretty original religion. Sure the guy who started it from ideas which he'd heard or read about...but the combination was pretty original. If you really want to argue semantics then every thought is really just a modification of someone elses. But that's nothing more than semantics.
Alot of the eastern religions are pretty ancient and well documented, but alot of them aren't really even religions. They're philosophies. Sure they borrow from other ideas, but most of them (MOST) don't claim to be absolute, like most western religions do. So wether they were combinations of beliefs or a unique creation is a mute point. They (again, for the most part) only say "this is what I think...I think it makes sense" and don't claim that you'll burn for eternity if you don't. I think if you're going to start telling people they will face an eternity of pain you better have some damn good basis for it.
I think the incorporation of other religions into christianity (specifically the catholic church) is most obviously a sign that they wanted control, and their motives were less than pure. Easter isn't even a christian holiday for petes sakes. Easter was, yet again, a Gaelic holiday celebrating the change of seasons. Which is why easter is on the first sunday after the first full moon after or during the vernal equinox. If that isn't a blatant example, I don't know what is. You can argue about the incorporation of the symbols of the trinity and the cross (if you don't really know your history), but that one's pretty glaring.
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Again, I want to point out that I have nothing against any religion...except maybe satanism. I just dislike organized religion. And even more than that, I HATE people that don't understand the religion they follow. The bible teaches blind faith in god. To believe in god without requiring proof. But it DOESN'T teach you to blindly follow your teachers. A very large percentage of people calling themselves "religious" are either misinformed or completely ignorant to their religion. And if you think I'm wrong, and want to try debating it with me then you can find my AIM screen name on my profile card. I'm always available to debate your religion with you (mainly christianity, my knowledge of Islam is very limited). But I openly challenge all catholics. I'm consistently amazed at how ignorant of their own religion the vast majority of christians are.
Again though, if you know your religion well enough to debate it with me then I have nothing against you. I'm not fighting religion here, I'm fighting ignorance.
Well we were talking about Christianity, and I was maining proving a point - that if there was no organized religion at all, or he had never been exposed to such things, he would obviously not believe that there might be some supreme entity out there.
What I really meant though, is that the very concept of religion was created by some pre-historic peoples attempting to explain what the sun was, how wind works, etc. Like all philosophies it's taken it's course, evolved, and changed into today's modern religion.
yes, exactly correct. most religions started as an attempt to explain what everything is... i mean when some kid asks dad "whats those bright things in the sky" or a kid asks dad "what happens when you die", well people start to either tell a story or start thinking about it themselves.
Over time such stories (whether initialy serious or stated as humour) end up becoming mythical and then a beleif system.
Most of the older beleif systems I would presume started that way. Some of em were started by people who wanted a means of control over others. Kings/Queens and dictators have been using beleif systems as a form of control for centuries.
Its the more modern ones who have been invented for various resons... Mormans and JW's are interesting ones, but then so was the Orange People :D
When a religion disallows the belivers from questioning what they beleive, then its a sure sign that the religion is sus and more often than not, used as a tool for retaining power/authority.
owie, my pie burnt me :angry:
Just a question to metalskin or unit43, How come you think your so right that no God exisis and how come you think that the evolution theory is more correct than the Creation theory?
Also, the evolution theory was made up to explain things that people today still cant explain so isnt science pretty much the same as religion?. Like the fact that science is a bunch of theories, proven, yes, but the Bible has been proven to be historically accurate as well.
I believe that God does exist, but heaven and hell, now thats a different story. I think that hell is non existent, and if we have sinned, we simply wait in purgatory until our sins hve been absolved, and we have been purified, and then we all go up 2 heaven, as no one deserves to be put in a place as bad as "hell"
i dont think god really exists
Oh boy, I'm glad I found this topic.. seriously. >;D
First of all, God may exist.. but if he/she/it does, he/she/it doesn't control ANYTHING on Earth. Think about it - if all God wanted (like the Bible says) was for man to strive, do you think that he/she/it would allow all the stupidity and moronic things to happen on the planet every, single day? Nah. I think he/she/it would prevent the majority of large things, for instance, prevent George Bush from being born, stop the 9/11 Attack, bend Saddam and/or Hitler over with no lube, etc. Nuff said on that topic.
Now.. Christianity on the other hand.. is a total different story. Christianity is fictional; it is a way of control for the Vatican and the Pope. If the Pope doesn't like it, guess what? It's banned, or deemed "hellish" or whatever you call it. Everything that Christianity says is wrong are man's natural instincts.. lust.. greed.. anger.. sloth.. jealousy.. etc. etc. etc.
The Bible? What is that? Oh, a fictional story written by.. I think.. 33 different authors!!! Nuff said about that, too!
Evolution was a theory, but it HAS been proved true. This is what most people still don't understand... scientists do know how evolution works, how it happened, and when it happened. I'll admit as a society we don't know everything there is to know about it, but we are sure that it did happen. The only thing we don't know for sure is how life came to exist. There is the primordial soup theory, which seems consistant with everything else we know, but we can't prove it true yet.Quote:
Originally posted by KRAZEE@14 Hours Ago
Just a question to metalskin or unit43, How come you think your so right that no God exisis and how come you think that the evolution theory is more correct than the Creation theory?
Also, the evolution theory was made up to explain things that people today still cant explain so isnt science pretty much the same as religion?. Like the fact that science is a bunch of theories, proven, yes, but the Bible has been proven to be historically accurate as well.
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On a side note, the bible has only been proven historically accurate to the point where we can pick out specific people, places, and a few non-mystical events and actually prove that they happened. There are in reality however, no credible accounts of "maricles" or any supernatural presences.
So where then do you obtain your ideals and beliefs from? You've complained earlier about 7/11, Saddam, Hitler, etc. Where are these ideas coming from, if not religion? Let's take a look at society: killing is wrong, alcohol/smoking/drugs are evil, peace and love for all.... this is a Christian-oriented society. Sure you don't believe that the Pope has any sort of divine might, but you're still accepting the cultural norms that Christians have been preaching for centuries.Quote:
Originally posted by Crymsyn+1 Hour Ago--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crymsyn @ 1 Hour Ago)</div>So you're saying that if a god did exist, it has to be on your side? What if it took Saddam's side, and believes that the USA should be slowly killed off? Also, if you do believe in a god you might want to consider darwism as well, though there's nothing mystical about it. The god you believe in, should it exist, would know that the stupid and the weak will eventually die off, overall strengthening the human race as a whole. How can you say that this is not man striving?Quote:
Oh boy, I'm glad I found this topic.. seriously. >;D
First of all, God may exist.. but if he/she/it does, he/she/it doesn't control ANYTHING on Earth. Think about it - if all God wanted (like the Bible says) was for man to strive, do you think that he/she/it would allow all the stupidity and moronic things to happen on the planet every, single day? Nah. I think he/she/it would prevent the majority of large things, for instance, prevent George Bush from being born, stop the 9/11 Attack, bend Saddam and/or Hitler over with no lube, etc. Nuff said on that topic.[/b]
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Now.. Christianity on the other hand.. is a total different story. Christianity is fictional; it is a way of control for the Vatican and the Pope. If the Pope doesn't like it, guess what? It's banned, or deemed "hellish" or whatever you call it. Everything that Christianity says is wrong are man's natural instincts.. lust.. greed.. anger.. sloth.. jealousy.. etc. etc. etc.
The Bible? What is that? Oh, a fictional story written by.. I think.. 33 different authors!!! Nuff said about that, too!
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There's the problem, Red.. I'm -not- accepting the cultural norms of the so called master religion. I personally think that everything that Christianity speaks is meant to control and contain a population, and in my mind, that makes it wrong. I get my beliefs and ideals from everything that I see every day. If I see it, it must be real and correct (based upon how it meshes with my intelligence: obviously, a magician isn't real).
Do you see God coming down and shaking my hand to prove to me he is real? Has the Pope popped out of a hole somewhere to explain to me that I am a heathen going down the left hand path instead of the right? Nope.
Indulgence over abstinence is the best way to live life in my opinion, because ever since I accepted the practice I've been a carefree person. I just don't understand why 90% of the people in the world worship something that cannot, and does not, exist.
Where are you getting that information? :S Not every religion deals with an omnipotent being.Quote:
Originally posted by Crymsyn@3 Hours Ago
I just don't understand why 90% of the people in the world worship something that cannot, and does not, exist.
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YEs indeed the Bible was written by over 30 different men but did the Bible ever contradict itself once? NO! Therefore you cannot say that over that long a period of time in which it was written and it not contradicting itself once is quite amazing for a FICTIONAL story.
I read fictions every day that do not contradict themselves. Want a few examples?
Eragon
Servant of the Shard
Sea of Swords
The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy
See where I'm going with this?
You cannot compare the Bible to other fictional works. There is entirely too much crap crammed into the Bible.
And another good question - if the Bible had 30 different authors from 30 different time periods, how in the HELL didn't it contridict its self? Seems to me like it would have happened somewhere, which just helps my theory that the Bible was written about the time of the printing press by the Vatican so they could control the world's population.
Have you ever read the Bible? I think not, Why? Because what is written in the Bible never contridicts itself not once! And if it did then i wouldnt be a Christian.
You also say there is too much crap crammed into the Bible? How so?
interesting stuff here
i love reading up on stuff and getting informed
i think that is a huge problem with people. ignorance and hypocrisy.
i am in fact a christian and so far going by faith. i agree with the morals of the bible but do not know everything there is to know about science and religion.
if you are a christian... dont take things too harsh when people are trying to prove you wrong. suck it up and outsmart them, or dont whine about it. it gives christians a bad name if you just blabber stuff without knowing what you're talking about
:S That theory has barely any ground.Quote:
Originally posted by Crymsyn@15 Hours Ago
...which just helps my theory that the Bible was written about the time of the printing press by the Vatican so they could control the world's population.
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At the time of the printing press it was the Catholic Church was most corrupt hierarchically (people could buy their positions, and hold more than two). But in its corruption, the Catholic Church was not trying to 'control' the worlds population. It moved inward, that is why ignorance flourished throughout Europe. Town Priests were not educated in Latin, which was the language of learning and of the Church, so they had to mumble the words during their masses; with that being so they too did not know the deep meaning of the rituals and sacraments.
So essentially, the Church was alienating its supporters in its greed for wealth. They exploited it with the use of 'indulgences' which was literally a 'ticket to heaven' (per se, it has deeper meaning) that people could purchase because of their ignorance.
The indulgences sparked a controversy which ultimately led to the Protestant Reformation
The bible couldn't have been written at that time period anyway, because if that were
case, then I guess Desiderus Erasmus' didn't really compile Greek and Byzantine manuscripts into his version of the bible, and that he just had a really cool dream and woke up and said, "Hey I think I will write the Bible today!" or maybe the Dead Sea Scrolls was written by someone who thought it might be a good joke a few thousand years later?
Krazee, I wasn't saying that the bible DOES contradict its self.. but think logically here: If 30 different people wrote down a bunch of stories that are all intertwined, but the 30 people don't know each other, wouldn't you think that the book would be contradicting? That's the point I was getting at.
As far as "all the crap" in the bible.. look at it. It IS crap.
yes but thats the point. you think it would be contradicting because of the 30 authors but it isnt. i guess you could go ahead and say well then yea only 1 dude wrote it and said there were 30 authors
whether your religious or not there are some good points in the bible that would make the world a better place. just common sense stuff but some people dont have it
the bible was also made so you could interpret and apply it to your own life. society is a lot different than it was 2000 years ago
Then, by all means, read The Satanic Bible. It's full of good points that are common sense stuff... you can also interpret it and apply it how you wish to your own life. I'd rather take indulgence over abstinence, anyway.
Of course you, who lives by the bible, would think that it makes the world a better place.Quote:
Originally posted by xlevix@4 Days Ago
yes but thats the point. you think it would be contradicting because of the 30 authors but it isnt. i guess you could go ahead and say well then yea only 1 dude wrote it and said there were 30 authors
whether your religious or not there are some good points in the bible that would make the world a better place. just common sense stuff but some people dont have it
the bible was also made so you could interpret and apply it to your own life. society is a lot different than it was 2000 years ago
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well i personally dont find joy in greed, lust, murder, and other things of that sort.
but i'm sure if i were born in a world where these things were the norm i would be a-okay with it.
but i wasnt and in my reality i find these things to be wrong and damaging to society.
by all means show us some other way you think the world could balance and bring forth happiness to all. after all thats what religion is supposed to do, right? or just to ease one's mind of the emptiness of their meaningless lives?
the bible asks us for blind faith in god... which seems like a huge risk, but i have uncovered more truth than i would have ever known with that one book.
i have faith. faith in the bible and the pure goodness in this world. forgive me if you see this as such a burden to others
bible's good stuff man. what is says in a few sentences...: First of all. God loves us. no matter what he is there and cares. be careful tho. its not like a big old fat santa claus guy that runs around doing good deeds. he is a jealous God and will test people's devotion frequently. love God with all your body, mind and soul. love each other as He loves us. the stereotypes for what being religious and a christian or whatever do not convey what being a follower really is. whether or not you believe that God loved us so much that he sacrificed a part of himself to save us from death you should ask yourself one question:
Where would you be if you died right now?
the idea that the spirit should be stopped by the mere failure of the physical vessel is unfounded and illogical.
Wow. Um.. ok. First off - murder is definetly -not- part of the Satanic religion. The sacrification of animals, sacrification of virgin babes, the practice of voodoo magic, and all the other rumors that the Christian Church has put out about Satanism are NOT true. Before you ridicule my religion, at least do SOME sort of research on it!Quote:
Originally posted by xlevix@7 Hours Ago
well i personally dont find joy in greed, lust, murder, and other things of that sort.
but i'm sure if i were born in a world where these things were the norm i would be a-okay with it.
but i wasnt and in my reality i find these things to be wrong and damaging to society.
by all means show us some other way you think the world could balance and bring forth happiness to all. after all thats what religion is supposed to do, right? or just to ease one's mind of the emptiness of their meaningless lives?
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And I don't know about everyone else.. but. Let me list off a few things here and see how people feel about them:
Do you like to eat? And by eat, I mean, eat more than what is required to survive?
What kind of clothes do you wear? Are they only there to keep you warm, or are you trying to make yourself look good by wearing name brand fashion?
What about sleep? Do you jump out of bed every.. single.. morning.. as soon as you wake up? Or do you stretch, and lounge around for a few minutes before getting up?
What about anger, man's most natural emotion. Self-preservation is the number one instinct of any animal, man included, and anger comes from protecting ones self.
Has anyone here ever had a dirty thought run through their head? Or worse yet, sex before marriage?!
All of these things are "Sins" in the eyes of the Christian Church, but at the same time, everyone does them. Think about it: Greed, pride, sloth, lust, anger? How can man be charged with herecy(sp?) for living out his natural, instict driven life?
Another point - every person I have ever met that is a Satanist is happy - and rightfully so. We work towards happiness every day by doing what makes us happy. Can any Church-goers here say that they are actually happy to go and listen to a sermon for 3 hours on an early Sunday morning? I think not.
Why should I believe in something that cannot be proven to exist? It is a waste of time. What happens when you DO die, and realize that there is nothing there? Or realize that you are reborn? Or whatever odd theory you can think up? You'd be pretty upset, and rightfully so, but the bad feeling would come from your "devotion" to the "Christian" religion.Quote:
Originally posted by Link-lemonade@7 Hours Ago
bible's good stuff man. what is says in a few sentences...: First of all. God loves us. no matter what he is there and cares. be careful tho. its not like a big old fat santa claus guy that runs around doing good deeds. he is a jealous God and will test people's devotion frequently. love God with all your body, mind and soul. love each other as He loves us. the stereotypes for what being religious and a christian or whatever do not convey what being a follower really is. whether or not you believe that God loved us so much that he sacrificed a part of himself to save us from death you should ask yourself one question:
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Where would you be if you died right now?* * * * * * * * * *
the idea that the spirit should be stopped by the mere failure of the physical vessel is unfounded and illogical.
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Someone, anyone. Correct me if I'm wrong.
And this is Crymsyn, your Satanic friend, signing off.
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See, this is what I'm talking about... your belief that people should be happy, and "all" referring to equal rights and 'freedom' for everybody. It's all reinforced by our society, which was molded this way by religion. I don't work towards happiness, I work towards productivity. I work to make this world a better place and remove democracy from modern society not because it makes me happy, but because it is in the best interest of the human race.Quote:
Originally posted by xlevix@Yesterday, 12:55 AM
by all means show us some other way you think the world could balance and bring forth happiness to all.
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The idea that the our physical essences are a vessel for some spiritual being is unfounded and illogical. Everything you think, everything you feel, everything that makes you who you are is a result of chemical reactions and electrical pulses inside your brain. You, as every other "living" being, is simply a mass of chemicals. We're machines in a sence, with a processing unit more powerfull then we are able to comprehend.Quote:
Originally posted by Link-lemonade@Yesterday, 1:26 AM
bible's good stuff man. what is says in a few sentences...: First of all. God loves us. no matter what he is there and cares. be careful tho. its not like a big old fat santa claus guy that runs around doing good deeds. he is a jealous God and will test people's devotion frequently. love God with all your body, mind and soul. love each other as He loves us. the stereotypes for what being religious and a christian or whatever do not convey what being a follower really is. whether or not you believe that God loved us so much that he sacrificed a part of himself to save us from death you should ask yourself one question:
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Where would you be if you died right now?* * * * * * * * * *
the idea that the spirit should be stopped by the mere failure of the physical vessel is unfounded and illogical.
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lol lmao
put down your story books kiddies and step into the real world the bible is a story made up to scare little kids into being good so their parents dont have to put up with all the bullshit lol
me im pagan here i follow the old ways
I firmly believe in god but i am also a man of science, God is cool man i love him and the bible is good to but i just dont like going to church.
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I dont mean to be a dick, but what has god really EVER done for you?
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I know this post is from a looooong time ago, but I felt the need to answer it.
God has fixed my pendicites, for real, it was about to break, me and my Mother prayed and all of the sudden it was completely healed.
When I was little my teeth came in completely backwards and crooked, my Mother prayed everynight that they would be right, and now, I have a nearly perfect mouth, no braces, no nothing.
God has saved my life, I fell on my bike one time, and I'm not going to go into full detail, but my hande bars were on their side, they were hollow and like a rusty toob, and I fell on them. And because of it my pelvis mussle wall tore, if it would have tared the skin (which it could of done in a heart beat very easily), I would not be here today.
God has removed me and my family from the occult, and you cant say its just a harmless group like anything else, because I did the magic, and it works, and it is from Satan, and God completely removed me and my family from it.
God has given me the gift of preaching, and when I preach, I can feel the holy spirit rushing through my body giving me the words to say, which I could not think of in my flesh.
God has saved my family from poverdy MANY times.
God has given me the ablility to look at things with a Christian eye, rather than a fleshly eye.
For right now, that is all I can think of. I hope that helped Taco.
ok granted all the good things happened to you but you cant catagorize all of the pagan paths into the occult thats just wrong yes there are some good and some bad but honestly how can something that someone believes in come from a mythical figure from a totally different belief system ?! i am stregherian we dont believe in the christian god jesus or satan at all there is also no hell ?! satan only exists in the christian and anti christian (satanism) religions as for the rest of us we could give 2 shit about the ruler of a figmented hell
thats my 2 cents
... no you're just alucky son of a bitch...Quote:
Originally posted by Brian@9 Hours Ago
I know this post is from a looooong time ago, but I felt the need to answer it.
God has fixed my pendicites, for real, it was about to break, me and my Mother prayed and all of the sudden it was completely healed.
When I was little my teeth came in completely backwards and crooked, my Mother prayed everynight that they would be right, and now, I have a nearly perfect mouth, no braces, no nothing.
God has saved my life, I fell on my bike one time, and I'm not going to go into full detail, but my hande bars were on their side, they were hollow and like a rusty toob, and I fell on them. And because of it my pelvis mussle wall tore, if it would have tared the skin (which it could of done in a heart beat very easily), I would not be here today.
God has removed me and my family from the occult, and you cant say its just a harmless group like anything else, because I did the magic, and it works, and it is from Satan, and God completely removed me and my family from it.
God has given me the gift of preaching, and when I preach, I can feel the holy spirit rushing through my body giving me the words to say, which I could not think of in my flesh.
God has saved my family from poverdy MANY times.
God has given me the ablility to look at things with a Christian eye, rather than a fleshly eye.
For right now, that is all I can think of. I hope that helped Taco.
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1. That was thanks to good medicine.
2. Brushing your teeth maybe?
3. Good medical.
4. You were smoking crack.
5. Most prechers talk shit.... from what i've seen you're good at it.
6. That again is just plain luck and hard work.
7. Blame your chruche for filling your mind with crap.
... you can believe in god if you want but just so you know there isn't anything out there... god doesn't exist but you can believe in him to make your life better...
As for those whiney people who say god saved them from suicide the only reason why is because they pray where they told all of their troubles to "god" who isn't really there and so makes it easier and once they got all those troubles of their chest they thank "god" god is just a name people call their mind... because that's all god is.. in your mind
preach on deadloader !!!!!!!!
let me ask a question why does every1 thank god when they win something but never blame him when they lose?
Joining any organization or system greater than yourself will do this. You see things from the viewpoint of a member of a select community, and you consider yourself smarter and "more enlightened" than the rest. It's a perfectly normal feeling, most prodominantly displayed in minority groups in the US (example: black power).Quote:
Originally posted by Brian+9 Hours Ago--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brian @ 9 Hours Ago)</div>You can't attribute that to a higher power... we as humans don't nearly understand every aspect of the human body. There were likely things going on that the doctors didn't know about which led to your healing.Quote:
God has fixed my pendicites, for real, it was about to break, me and my Mother prayed and all of the sudden it was completely healed.
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There is only so much space for your teeth, so that when all your teeth have come in there's a pretty good chance that they'll push eachother close enough to where they should be.Quote:
Originally posted by Brian@9 Hours Ago
When I was little my teeth came in completely backwards and crooked, my Mother prayed everynight that they would be right, and now, I have a nearly perfect mouth, no braces, no nothing.
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You should thank physics for that, not your god. You obviously weren't moving with enough force over the area of impact that your body could not push back with an equal amount of force.Quote:
Originally posted by Brian@9 Hours Ago
God has saved my life, I fell on my bike one time, and I'm not going to go into full detail, but my hande bars were on their side, they were hollow and like a rusty toob, and I fell on them. And because of it my pelvis mussle wall tore, if it would have tared the skin (which it could of done in a heart beat very easily), I would not be here today.
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That's rather vague... and I don't think it's very convincing as most of the members of this are educated enough to not believe in magic.Quote:
Originally posted by Brian@9 Hours Ago
God has removed me and my family from the occult, and you cant say its just a harmless group like anything else, because I did the magic, and it works, and it is from Satan, and God completely removed me and my family from it.
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Because you think you're doing something good, chemicals that induce and stimulate pleasure are rushing to your brain. You can get the same effect from exercising or participating in something exciting, and you can also get the same effect artificially from many drugs - which is where the mental addiction stems from.Quote:
Originally posted by Brian@9 Hours Ago
God has given me the gift of preaching, and when I preach, I can feel the holy spirit rushing through my body giving me the words to say, which I could not think of in my flesh.
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Yeah, I'd attribute this to hard work and perseverance. I'd attribute your family almost going into poverty many times though, to our modern capitalist system.Quote:
Originally posted by Brian@9 Hours Ago
God has saved my family from poverdy MANY times.
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God has given me the ablility to look at things with a Christian eye, rather than a fleshly eye.
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Every event or situation has a completely ration explaination, even if we as humans don't possess the technology or philosopy to explain it yet. The answers are out there, most people just can't see them.
You do see this somewhat often among the lower rungs of society, especially those in poverty, but the reason that it's not as present as it's opposite is because Christians preach that god is 'kind' and 'merciful', despite countless accounts of him smiting and insighting wrath in the bible, and they believe that god does everything for a reason, making them look at the situation optomistically.Quote:
Originally posted by DrksYd665@21 Minutes Ago
preach on deadloader !!!!!!!!
let me ask a question why does every1 thank god when they win something but never blame him when they lose?
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Haha it seems god is like a safety net ;)
Christianity is just a cult that managed to survive throughout the ages.
thats proberley true shurai
It is true ;)
The Romans were generally tolerant, that is why many cults flourished like, Mithraism, Gnosticism and the Imperial Cult etc.
Christianity was a mystery cult because of its secrecy. As said, the Romans were tolerant to a degree where a cult would start imposing its views. Also, because of its secrecy, the Romans simply did not understand Christian practices which led to their persecution.
Christians in antiquity referred to members of their organization as Brother and Sister. That is understanding because of their closeness are like siblings. But the Romans interpreted it as incest, which was taboo.
Christians revere Jesus Christ as their savior and lord. He had caused trouble in a temple, and caused disturbance and even blashphemy to those in the temple, of which he was tried for and executed as a criminal. To Romans, Christians were worshipping a criminal, which was again beyond their moral understanding.
The Mass of Eucharist involved transubstantiation or symbolic transformation of bread and wine to the blood and body of Christ. So when they 'drink the blood of Christ etc' to Romans it is viewed as Cannibalism.
The Romans had no understanding because of its secrecy, and the Christian phenomenon grew way beyond the Romans' expectations.
Ok here's my whole view on relegion.
Christianity was created as a happy escape for people. When people are hurt or down. they can simply say "oh God has a plan for me!" So they don't have to wallow in their sadness any more. Look at it from an objective perspective, Christians. When poor people come to a shelter, its always "God has a plan for you!, don't worry!" Jesus rambled about God when he was alive (which he is not anymore) about God and his forgiveness, and those less fortunate really listened because they thought "Ok, I'm only poor because this almighty God has a plan for me! It'll all be good soon!" That's all relegion is.
And something more:
We can attribute the mass popularity of Christianity to Paul of Tarsus. When Jesus died, Paul traveled all around Europe preaching Jesus' fairy tales to everybody, and that's how it spread. Without Paul, Christianity would have been lucky to survive for a few centuries as a small cult, and would definately not exist today. Don't think many of you knew that.
It only takes one misguided simpleton to pollute society for millinia.
