Guitar Vector ~shiv~

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Originally Posted by Pet

I will list a few things:

The curves on the body, need to be smoother, and more accurate. Yours start to have sharper angles that should have. The circles around the centre hole are not centred properly, and don't look perfectly round either. The shadows on the tuning pegs would not be nearly as dark as you have them, and the strings should be different thickness' and not so much the colour, I know their are different types of strings, but I don't think they go from yellow, to brown to grey. On the bridge, the curves on the top and bottom, that you used the gradient to how should not go in opposite directions, that makes it look like light is coming from both the top and the bottom, but since the fill thing isn't highlighted, it looks odd.


And last thing, since you used a texture picture to create the body colour, neck, colour, head colour, as well as the pick guard effect, this isn't a vector any more. Once you ad in pure raster elements it becomes a raster image.

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Will do Pet. Thanks for the CnC.
:)

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Originally Posted by silentshadow

This is pretty cool! Looks nice!

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Thanks Silent!

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Originally Posted by uKing

Awww thanks shiv is that for me seing it has my name on it ;)

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<3

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Originally Posted by Takken

What Pet means to say is that he likes it!:D :p

Haha, I think it looks cool but I agree with pet. And yes, just because you use a pentool, it does not make it vector. How much times do we have to repeat this? What you did Shiv was a vexel:) Hell, if you didn't even use the shape tool in PS or didn't use Illustrator, then it was a vexel from the start.;)

Keep at it. Definitely getting better.

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I know, I always forget the difference.
-_-

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Originally Posted by Scrib

Yeah fs it's not a vector! -.-

Otherwise. Its not bad, lot of things need to be worked on.

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Alright thanks Scribby.
:)

I want to clear something up that takken said.

You can make vectors in photoshop, they just have to be done with the pentool, or the shape tool down right from it, and you have to keep the shape layer too, and then it will be a vector.

The image is not a vexel. Vexels are pictures designed to imitate vectors with their simple lines, and shapes, but done without saving the shape layers. The reason I say it is not a vexel, is the fact that he used photos of wood grain to give the guitar a wood feel, and doing so just makes it a raster image, no longer a vector, nor vexel.

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Originally Posted by Pet

I want to clear something up that takken said.

You can make vectors in photoshop, they just have to be done with the pentool, or the shape tool down right from it, and you have to keep the shape layer too, and then it will be a vector.

The image is not a vexel. Vexels are pictures designed to imitate vectors with their simple lines, and shapes, but done without saving the shape layers. The reason I say it is not a vexel, is the fact that he used photos of wood grain to give the guitar a wood feel, and doing so just makes it a raster image, no longer a vector, nor vexel.

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I didn't know that before, you learn new stuff everyday. I guess I'll call it digital art then...:p

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Originally Posted by Pet

I want to clear something up that takken said.

You can make vectors in photoshop, they just have to be done with the pentool, or the shape tool down right from it, and you have to keep the shape layer too, and then it will be a vector.

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Originally Posted by Pet

The image is not a vexel. Vexels are pictures designed to imitate vectors with their simple lines, and shapes, but done without saving the shape layers. The reason I say it is not a vexel, is the fact that he used photos of wood grain to give the guitar a wood feel, and doing so just makes it a raster image, no longer a vector, nor vexel.

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@Bold:

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Hell, if you didn't even use the shape tool in PS or didn't use Illustrator, then it was a vexel from the start.;)

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It has to be the shape layered tool however and not just the pentool, if its not then its vexel because it will only utilize raster layers. Unlike Illustrator which is automatically vector unless you use a raster effect, only the use of the shape layers tool in PS would it then be considered vector, at least IMO.

As for the other statement it can be argued. I speak from viewing numerous vexels on DA and the techniques they used and many, especially authoritative artists within the community consider it vexel. However I'm not familiar at all with vexel medium, though from what I have read and seen its still a vexel even if textures has been used to give off a certain feel like how Shiv has done. Like I said, it can be argued.

Shiv, I highly recommend on joining the DA community, that way you can find more artists who specialize in this field and learn more. Learning doesn't exist in a vacuum; you can learn so much more from other artists than from Pet or myself if you hang out on DA due to the fact you can get much more opinions:) But thats only if you are really interested and haven't joined already.

Keep at it.

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Originally Posted by Takken

It has to be the shape layered tool however and not just the pentool, if its not then its vexel because it will only utilize raster layers. Unlike Illustrator which is automatically vector unless you use a raster effect, only the use of the shape layers tool in PS would it then be considered vector, at least IMO.

As for the other statement it can be argued. I speak from viewing numerous vexels on DA and the techniques they used and many, especially authoritative artists within the community consider it vexel. However I'm not familiar at all with vexel medium, though from what I have read and seen its still a vexel even if textures has been used to give off a certain feel like how Shiv has done. Like I said, it can be argued.

Shiv, I highly recommend on joining the DA community, that way you can find more artists who specialize in this field and learn more. Learning doesn't exist in a vacuum; you can learn so much more from other artists than from Pet or myself if you hang out on DA due to the fact you can get much more opinions:) But thats only if you are really interested and haven't joined already.

Keep at it.

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You can create vectors, in photohop, with just the pen tool, you do not HAVE to use the shape tool. As long as you have it save the vector mask.

Yes, joining DA is a good idea to get help, but it is still hard to get people who will truly give you helpful pointers, I have been there for a while, and have decent views, but I do not get a whole lot of people trying to help me, and even then it's them trying to get me to make my style something it isn't.

PS: just because someone on DA slaps on some patterns on a vector and calls it a vexel, doesn't make it so. If you look, there is a lot of crap on there, and a lot of stuff in the wrong categories anyways.

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Originally Posted by Pet

You can create vectors, in photohop, with just the pen tool, you do not HAVE to use the shape tool. As long as you have it save the vector mask.

Yes, joining DA is a good idea to get help, but it is still hard to get people who will truly give you helpful pointers, I have been there for a while, and have decent views, but I do not get a whole lot of people trying to help me, and even then it's them trying to get me to make my style something it isn't.

PS: just because someone on DA slaps on some patterns on a vector and calls it a vexel, doesn't make it so. If you look, there is a lot of crap on there, and a lot of stuff in the wrong categories anyways.

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I'm already on dA, just don't use it much.
I should start using it.
:p

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Originally Posted by Pet

You can create vectors, in photohop, with just the pen tool, you do not HAVE to use the shape tool. As long as you have it save the vector mask.

Yes, joining DA is a good idea to get help, but it is still hard to get people who will truly give you helpful pointers, I have been there for a while, and have decent views, but I do not get a whole lot of people trying to help me, and even then it's them trying to get me to make my style something it isn't.

PS: just because someone on DA slaps on some patterns on a vector and calls it a vexel, doesn't make it so. If you look, there is a lot of crap on there, and a lot of stuff in the wrong categories anyways.

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ANd the shape tool utilizes the vector mask, which is why i said it must be the shape tool but I guess we all meant the same thing but just in a different kind of way.

That is true, however its who you go to and should try and value every little opinion you receive, as long as its constructive in some aspect so don't expect blown out critiques everyday. Just try and work off from there. And Pet, I don't think no one tries make your style into something else, I think what we want you to do is to expand by doing more 'fulfilling' works. Like your
work here:
http://rinspet.deviantart.com/art/Li...F2865942&qo=19
http://rinspet.deviantart.com/art/Tr...F27155716&qo=2
You definitely know your way around Illustrator but you don't show that knowledge (not that you have to show but you can do more than you do - you keep holding back IMO) in your pieces because they seem to lack something so perhaps except the logos and simple but cool drawings you usually do, you could try something different, within your style, but something different and yet like the two scene pieces I linked there (like more scenery vectors :3) :) But thats just me, though I'm sure others who have known your works for a good while now would agree with me. I know for sure I don't want you to stop your style so keep it!

However, the term vexel wasn't some official statement Adobe made last I checked (correct me if I'm wrong) , it was something that a community came up with because it uses pixels instead of vector so the same can be said in your case. And truth is, the rules and the idea of vexel are constantly pushed and on DA, using a texture to compliment the pentooled image would still keep it vexel. I do agree with you on the wrong submissions in the wrong folders part though. I saw a traditional painting in the vector category once, I was like "wait, wut...?" So yeah def, lol.

Takken, Pet is explaining it far more easy if you guys means the same :) The way you say it it sounds like you can only create vectors with the shape tool in photoshop and that is not right. Vectors can be created with the pentool, as loong as you remember to have the right setting on it as pet so well explained.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Takken, Pet is explaining it far more easy if you guys means the same :) The way you say it it sounds like you can only create vectors with the shape tool in photoshop and that is not right. Vectors can be created with the pentool, as loong as you remember to have the right setting on it as pet so well explained.

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I realized that, thats why I said we went about it in a different manner. However, it will not be vector unless if you don't use the vector mask setting, which the shape tool automatically utilizes. But I guess the mis-understanding is cleared up now ;3

I'm getting bombarded with vector and vexel paragraphs....
I'm just going to go with Dae.