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Originally Posted by L0neW0lfe

Nature--> You act as if I don't believe in evolution. I believe in controlled evolution which clearly points to a creator with knowledge. I certainly don't believe in evolution controlled by luck that’s just irrational in my opinion. I think both, me and you would agree that every creature has some sort of ability and tool which helps it survive in the environment they live in, was it an accident that different animals in different environments have different tool and ability which can only help them in the environments which they live in?? For example a fish, it has lungs which helps it live under water. How did evolution know that a creature needs a different type of lungs to survive outside the water??, this is why I say that the evolution is controlled.:eek:

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No shit evolution is controlled. But not by an intelligence.

I find it funny that people always think evolution is "blind luck". It's not. It's natural selection. There is a difference. And if you disagree, please give me a rational argument. Let's see... Creature gains a genetic mutation. This mutation either helps it or doesn't. It doesn't, the creature goes... If it does, the creature eventually out-produces its ancestors, or simply lives with them.

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Originally Posted by Killer

...I mean the chances of life were like what? 1 in a trillion...

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Aye. And look at the sky. Oh, how many stars dyu reckon there are in the universe, now? Let's say... I dunno... 1 000 000 000 000 000? That's pretty conservative... Now, Let's say 0.1% of stars develop planets? That still leaves, what, 1 000 000 000 000 stars... And then maybe only 0.1% of those stars have planets that fall within the correct orbit for them to possibly develop life? Oh, look, 1 (short) billion stars left... Quite a good chance of life to develop, don't you think? The actual chances might have been smaller. The original number of stars is probably considerably larger.

i hope we find dinasaurs on another planet, or giant spiders. it would be an awesome safari!!!

Just started reading

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Awesome book so far (Y)

If you beleive in God, you probably won't after reading the first chapter of this.

Have read that...

..atm am reading Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion"

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what about the mistakes and freaks of nature?
did god make a horrible mistake, or was the sick bastard just fucking about?

why have i got an apendix? why is the exact centre of everyones field of vision obscured? from a random evolutionary point of view, they can be explained. but from a design point of view, with a higher being its just stupid

oh, you believe in evolution? alright, why does the Bible say that the earth in 25000 years old (or whatever it is) when there is clear evidence from fossiles, ice core samples, rock samples and about a billion other things that the earth is billions of years old.
is this god's giant game of spore? was earth just sitting here waiting for him to finish populating some other planets to start playing with this one?

btw, fish have gills, not lungs

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This argument is finished you idiot. Evolution is proven wrong by science as I said before "the missing links has still not been found". Don't act smart and don't bring dead arguments back to life.

The same goes for Tesseract, please don't waste my time.

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Because they are always trying to shove their religion down our throats and they are always saying that they are correct and everyone else is wrong (like you).

Religion is pointless, Christianity more so than any other. It's beliefs are flawed and are constantly being disproved by science/ archeology and new findings.

And the evenagelist culture I particularly despise, you know, the "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL" people. Like this guy http://www.eveningservice.com/Video and no, that guy is not a joke, he is actually an intolerating(sp?) cunt.

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Like me, wow, what have I shoved up your throat. The argument was over evolution, which to me was irrational. It seems you are scared of hell, if you don't believe in it than why are you annoyed by the idea of hell and heaven.

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Originally Posted by L0neW0lfe

This argument is finished you idiot. Evolution is proven wrong by science as I said before "the missing links has still not been found". Don't act smart and don't bring dead arguments back to life.

The same goes for Tesseract, please don't waste my time.

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lol
are you serious? sorry if im reacting to some really abstract sarcasm, but yes there isnt A missing link, there are several. we didnt just turn from chips into the 'missing link' and then into humans in a day. and they have found lots of links, they are just looking for all the links so they can study how the evolution process works.

im guessing you dont believe that animals lived millions of years ago? well heres a clue that they did: they pump a million gallons of oil up in Iraq every day, and guess what oils made of? enough evidence for you?


oh,and im not acting smart, i am smart... well, compared to you anyway.

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Originally Posted by mannos

lol
are you serious? sorry if im reacting to some really abstract sarcasm, but yes there isnt A missing link, there are several. we didnt just turn from chips into the 'missing link' and then into humans in a day. and they have found lots of links, they are just looking for all the links so they can study how the evolution process works.

im guessing you dont believe that animals lived millions of years ago? well heres a clue that they did: they pump a million gallons of oil up in Iraq every day, and guess what oils made of? enough evidence for you?


oh,and im not acting smart, i am smart... well, compared to you anyway.

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You idiot I am not a Christian.

There is apsolutely no empirical scientific evidence which support Darwin's theroy once again don't waste my time and post sources, none of the fossils found recently supports Darwin's theory or are the missing links. Hopefully you will post some sources and proove me wrong, I don't mind.

uh.... at no point did i said that your a part of any religion or sect

anyway, heres just a little bit of info for you. i'll look for some evidence if i have time
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There are a number of common misunderstandings about evolution, some of which have hindered its general acceptance and form the basis of various objections to evolution. Critics of evolution frequently assert that evolution is "just a theory", a misunderstanding of the meaning of theory in a scientific context: whereas in colloquial speech a theory is a conjecture or guess, in science a theory is "a model of the universe, or a restricted part of it, and a set of rules that relate quantities in the model to observations that we make". Critics also state that evolution is not a fact, although from a scientific viewpoint evolution is considered both a theory and a fact. A related, more extreme claim is that evolution is a "theory in crisis", generally based on misrepresenting the scientific support and evidence for evolutionary theory.
Another common misunderstanding is the idea that one species, such as humans, can be more "highly evolved" or "advanced" than another. It is often assumed that evolution must lead to greater complexity, or that devolution ("backwards" evolution) can occur. Scientists consider evolution a non-directional process that does not proceed toward any ultimate goal; advancements are only situational, and organisms' complexity can either increase, decrease, or stay the same, depending on which is advantageous, and thus selected for.
Evolution is also frequently misinterpreted as stating that humans evolved from monkeys; based on this, some critics argue that monkeys should no longer exist. This misunderstands speciation, which frequently involves a subset of a population cladogenetically
It is also frequently claimed that speciation has only been inferred, never directly observed. In reality, the evolution of numerous new species has been observed. A similar claim is that only microevolution, not macroevolution, has been observed; however, macroevolution has been observed as well, and modern evolutionary synthesis draws little distinction between the two, considering macroevolution to simply be microevolution on a larger scale.
Other widespread misunderstandings of evolution include the idea that evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics, which applies to isolated systems, not open systems like the earth, which absorbs light from the sun and radiates heat to space; and that evolution cannot create new physical information, although this regularly occurs whenever a novel mutation or gene duplication arises. splitting off before speciating, rather than an entire species simply turning into a new one. Additionally, biologists have never claimed that humans evolved from monkeys—only that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, as do all organisms."

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Originally Posted by mannos

uh.... at no point did i said that your a part of any religion or sect

anyway, heres just a little bit of info for you. i'll look for some evidence if i have time
"
There are a number of common misunderstandings about evolution, some of which have hindered its general acceptance and form the basis of various objections to evolution. Critics of evolution frequently assert that evolution is "just a theory", a misunderstanding of the meaning of theory in a scientific context: whereas in colloquial speech a theory is a conjecture or guess, in science a theory is "a model of the universe, or a restricted part of it, and a set of rules that relate quantities in the model to observations that we make". Critics also state that evolution is not a fact, although from a scientific viewpoint evolution is considered both a theory and a fact. A related, more extreme claim is that evolution is a "theory in crisis", generally based on misrepresenting the scientific support and evidence for evolutionary theory.
Another common misunderstanding is the idea that one species, such as humans, can be more "highly evolved" or "advanced" than another. It is often assumed that evolution must lead to greater complexity, or that devolution ("backwards" evolution) can occur. Scientists consider evolution a non-directional process that does not proceed toward any ultimate goal; advancements are only situational, and organisms' complexity can either increase, decrease, or stay the same, depending on which is advantageous, and thus selected for.
Evolution is also frequently misinterpreted as stating that humans evolved from monkeys; based on this, some critics argue that monkeys should no longer exist. This misunderstands speciation, which frequently involves a subset of a population cladogenetically
It is also frequently claimed that speciation has only been inferred, never directly observed. In reality, the evolution of numerous new species has been observed. A similar claim is that only microevolution, not macroevolution, has been observed; however, macroevolution has been observed as well, and modern evolutionary synthesis draws little distinction between the two, considering macroevolution to simply be microevolution on a larger scale.
Other widespread misunderstandings of evolution include the idea that evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics, which applies to isolated systems, not open systems like the earth, which absorbs light from the sun and radiates heat to space; and that evolution cannot create new physical information, although this regularly occurs whenever a novel mutation or gene duplication arises. splitting off before speciating, rather than an entire species simply turning into a new one. Additionally, biologists have never claimed that humans evolved from monkeys—only that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, as do all organisms."

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im guessing you dont believe that animals lived millions of years ago?

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This is what Christians believe.

Thanks for posting this information, the fact is that I don't know much biology except simple genetics. I did not choose biology as a subject in highschool therefore I have to learn it over the internet. I am still learning and reading online articles about Darwin's theory so I can't say much more yet.

I will post my opinion in this matter when I have learned more, I should have enough information on Darwin's theory and biology in couple of days to conclude.

Oh, how funny... You disclaim Evolution as not having any empirical evidence, and then you say you don't know anything about it? How... amusing.

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Originally Posted by L0neW0lfe

I will post my opinion in this matter when I have learned more, I should have enough information on Darwin's theory and biology in couple of days to conclude.

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Looks like you've already posted it, sugar.

Oh, and you seem to change your view very quickly... You say

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Originally Posted by L0newW0lfe

There is apsolutely no empirical scientific evidence which support Darwin's theroy once again don't waste my time and post sources, none of the fossils found recently supports Darwin's theory or are the missing links. Hopefully you will post some sources and proove me wrong, I don't mind.

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And yet, you said earlier...

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Originally Posted by L0neW0lfe

Nature--> You act as if I don't believe in evolution. I believe in controlled evolution which clearly points to a creator with knowledge. I certainly don't believe in evolution controlled by luck that’s just irrational in my opinion. I think both, me and you would agree that every creature has some sort of ability and tool which helps it survive in the environment they live in, was it an accident that different animals in different environments have different tool and ability which can only help them in the environments which they live in?? For example a fish, it has lungs which helps it live under water. How did evolution know that a creature needs a different type of lungs to survive outside the water??, this is why I say that the evolution is controlled.:eek:

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...Curious, no? And, as far as I know, there has been no recent evidence that Evolution is wrong, otherwise we wouldn't be having this argument... Maybe it was when me and Mannos blew your Intelligent Design theory out of the water (Don't deny it. It IS intelligent design)

lonewolfe i don't know why you're continuing that bullshit arguement.. i owned you.. hahaha you didn't prove shit.. get off the stage bring someone new..

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Originally Posted by L0neW0lfe

Before I actually believed in controlled evolution but now I don't believe in it at all because it obtains too many errors. Thanks for pushing me to do some research deadLoader.

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Haha. I just noticed this post. And the "proof"s that you cited...

OK. You mentioned earlier that your biological studies hadn't progressed beyond "simple genetics" (And that gave you a reason not to form any views on Darwinistic Natural Selection - although you evidently already have). Surely, then, you know that the formation of gametes is a process rife with possible genetic mutations? That's what forms new species. An eskimo born with fur, would have advantage over others of its species - should it get caught in, say, a blizzard with other eskimos, it would have extra insulation.. From that, it may survive something others wouldn't, pass on its traits to children who would survive better, etc.
Whoever wrote that crap about dark skinned eskimos has never been skiing. Why do you think people spend so much on goggles to protect their eyes from the sun. Snowblindness, ever heard of it? Plus, I'd say six months of constant sunlights a pretty damned good reason to have natural sunblock...
I covered the "egg and sperm" argument earlier...
*Laughs* Oh, look, chromosome count can't be changed. Where did Downs syndrome come from again?
Mars may have had the possibility of life; Doesn't mean it will form. Either way, I'm not sure if Mars was in the proverbial "Goldilocks Belt" where life can form.

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Originally Posted by Tesseract

Oh, how funny... You disclaim Evolution as not having any empirical evidence, and then you say you don't know anything about it? How... amusing.


Looks like you've already posted it, sugar.

Oh, and you seem to change your view very quickly... You say And yet, you said earlier......Curious, no? And, as far as I know, there has been no recent evidence that Evolution is wrong, otherwise we wouldn't be having this argument... Maybe it was when me and Mannos blew your Intelligent Design theory out of the water (Don't deny it. It IS intelligent design)

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I change my view very quick cause I am open minded, I am not a hardcore creationist who never looks for facts and logic instead just believe. I am still learning about natural selection, don't get too cocky, I will come back with my argument later.

There's a difference between constantly changing your views and being open minded.

I'm undecided about god. I think there is multiple higher forms then us. I mean who decided that humans were the highest form? We're so much worse than all the animals, they never fight, pollute, etc, but we are considered better because we are more evolved. Maybe that's not a better thing.

As for religion... I strongly dislike most modern religions. They seem to be so wrapped up in converting you that they miss the point. Most of the ideas of religion are good, but they aren't carried out how they should be. As for "the only way to get into heaven" is to go to church? That's one of the most contradictory things I have ever heard. Isn't "God" supposed to treat everyone equal? If they are good people, that just don't find it necessary to go to church, they deserve to "burn in hell"?

Also some of the views of modern religions seem absurd to me. How they say doing drugs/drinking is a sin? It doesn't make sense to me. Also how they say homosexuality is a sin? Yeah, i don't get it.. Homosexuals are they same as regular people, but they burn in hell for their choices? People kill incredible amounts of innocents in the name of religion, but a guy fucking another guy is wrong?

About the bible; I think it is meant to be interpreted. I don't think any of the stories are real, but they are meant to send a message, which are mostly good messages. Besides, why would God need all that magic? To lure us in?

Well I guess I'll end my rant here, lol

well i 4 1 believe becuz otherwise how r we here? my fam goes to church almost every week and i feel so good afterward u guys really shud try sometime. u dont have to u kno be all like amen and praying at the table before eating french fries hahah just ukno lik be good in chruch and dont use ur cell or anythin when ur there and just lik dont be meen to the old people and stuff. thats all try it and ull gfeel a lot better i getrentee it.

-LOVE!

-tammy wdard!

And you learn to type.

See my post above on the "How we got here" question

Just lsiten to some of the stories religious people tell thats enough to proove god is false.

God came from the bible (a book haha) right?

That book said some man (Moses) split the ocean.

sorry but LMFAOPMSLOMGWTFBBQHAHA

i cant remember who it was, but im sure it wasnt jebus

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Originally Posted by mannos

i cant remember who it was, but im sure it wasnt jebus

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Moses.

I don't think I should get any further involved in this topic other than that.. Every forum has a religous thread, oh how they turn bahd. Heh.

Oh, and I always find it funny when people say that god is "simpler" than evolution. How the hell did god get here then?

haha yeh, how did god get here?

*awaits some completely BS reply by religious people about someone having a shit and god came out of it*

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Originally Posted by twardcool

well i 4 1 believe becuz otherwise how r we here? my fam goes to church almost every week and i feel so good afterward u guys really shud try sometime. u dont have to u kno be all like amen and praying at the table before eating french fries hahah just ukno lik be good in chruch and dont use ur cell or anythin when ur there and just lik dont be meen to the old people and stuff. thats all try it and ull gfeel a lot better i getrentee it.

-LOVE!

-tammy wdard!

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I've been to church plenty of times, and it didn't make me feel any better. TBH, i felt bored to death.

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Originally Posted by Ben

Just lsiten to some of the stories religious people tell thats enough to proove god is false.

God came from the bible (a book haha) right?

That book said some man (Moses) split the ocean.

sorry but LMFAOPMSLOMGWTFBBQHAHA

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Don't insult religion... that's mean :P

They (some) insult us by thinking they are higher than us >.<

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Originally Posted by Henry

I've been to church plenty of times, and it didn't make me feel any better. TBH, i felt bored to death.



Don't insult religion... that's mean :P

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Well he isn't insulting them, he is laughing at their stupid stories.

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Originally Posted by SgtSwabs

Well he isn't insulting them, he is laughing at their stupid stories.

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Stories they believe are real, so laughing at the stories is insulting them ;)

Imo it boils down to there being no evidence the Gods people believe in are real, and there is also no evidence that they aren't.

But that doesn't leave much to debate about, either.. How not fun. >=(

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns

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Originally Posted by Henry

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns

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Heh, what you just said could go many ways.

There could have been evidence against either opinion, right now however, there is absolutely none.

And if there ever is somehow pure reason that no one can deny, it wouldn't help anyone.

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Originally Posted by Henry

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns

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you sound like that guy from Mystery Men.

i was quoting boondocks!

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Originally Posted by Henry

i was quoting boondocks!

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D: i havent seen that movie for ages. on shooting the cat: "is it dead?"
Rofl.
anyway, i'm an atheist, so [/threadjack].

Absence evidence may not be the evidence of absence...

But it does make believing in something that has no proof of existence irrational and pointless.

There's no proof of it existing, but there's not even a reason for it to exist. There's nothingthat *requires* it to exist. I mean, at least the higgs boson has some use...

no.
boondocks the tv show.

I believe in fluffy pink unicorns and gay people that pop out of rainbows and throw skittles at you.

I don't believe in God. I was rose as a Christian, but I got sick of it.

I'll live my life how I want to... If there really was a God up there the God would want me living my life how I wanted.

However, I have reason to believe there isn't one... God is a man made idea, just to explain the unexplained in a really simple illogical way, and also to brainwash the people... or that's what I think.

Yes. I agree.

A way of explaining the illogical. And that was USED as a way of brainwashing, manipulating and robbing people of their money.

The church is too rich xD

not any more. LOL EPIC!

as a side note.

EPIC MOVIE SUCKS, NEVER WATCH IT.

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Originally Posted by rob

as a side note.

EPIC MOVIE SUCKS, NEVER WATCH IT.

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shit, really? i saw the trailer and it looks funny as fuck.
i'm going to download it anyway, and see if i make it through the first 20 minutes.

... lol god!