God

man when i put my evedince between Science and the Quran .. nobody Talked shit .. not tabloid or Metalskin .. about the Nebula Rose and etc. ..

What! ... u have no answer to that or what !?

i put all the proofs and more ... bu tabloid and metalskin .. didnt give me any Proof that GOD DONT EXIST !! ?

For some reason...NoOne cares....this post is gonna die sooner or later you know

u Want Another Scientific Proof Here u Go:

Let us imagine ourselves standing in a laboratory stocked with beakers and test tubes containing all sorts of chemical compounds. Then suppose an earthquake has just occurred upsetting the shelved vessels, sending their contents spilling onto the laboratory floor. It would be a very strange coincidence indeed to find new life forms generating themselves where none had existed before.

You might say, 'Your analogy didn't account for time - these organisms need time to evolve.' We ask, 'How much time should we have allowed? Was there enough time since the beginning of the universe to allow for their self-induced formation?'

Let's hear from Swiss mathematician Charles Eugene Jai. In an experiment aimed at answering this very question, Jai set out to calculate the probability of the random formation of a single protein molecule. Jai 'helped' the situation by assuming the existence of formative elements, and by selecting a protein consisting of only 2,000 atoms (An average protein might consist of 32,000 atoms or more). Jai also assumed that the protein would consist of only 2 unique formative atoms.

He determined the value of probability by considering the size of the material and the time necessary for the random formation to occur. He calculated that the probability of forming even a simplified protein molecule was approximately 1 in 5 x 10 e+320 !

The size of the material necessary to produce that almost zero probability would have been a sphere with a diameter of approximately 6 x 10 e+176 miles - about 10 e+63 times bigger than the imagined size of the universe. Finally, the time necessary for the molecule to form was 10 e+243 billion years. This was far greater than the supposed age of the universe - only about 2 billion years.

He concluded that the universe was neither old enough, nor big enough to allow for the random formation of even a simple protein molecule. It was impossible for the universe to have created itself, and for life to randomly form. We must then consider another course. There is a Creator who created the universe.

I wish to make it clear that I have never ridiculed someone for their faith. I have never made out that someone who believes in a god is stupid and I do not beleive anyoine has the right to judge someone because of both social and religious stereotypes.

I cannot prove that god doesn't exist, and I cannot prove that god exists, neither can you.

As such until such time that prove of the existance of god is evidenced, I chose not to beleive in any religion that claims text written by man are the word of god.

The bottom line is there is no proof, and without proof i am not going to rearrange my life to suit those who feel that they have a mandate from god to tell me how i should live my life.

No one here has tried to prove that I'm wrong when I claim the evidence that is presented here is circular in argument with no independant proof other than their own texts.

Unfortunatly it is obvious that others in here feel that name calling, not reading posts fully and replying with totaly irrelivent facts leads is the correct way to convince someone of their concept of God and Religion.

As such I conclude that this thread is pointless, I see no point in expressing my views when others are not open minded enough to consider the points I raise or even to read fully what I type. Unfortunatly this is often the case with both religion and idealogy, so I will now bow out of this thread.

Well...there is a big discussion about god these days. How does one know there is a god? No one can prove that there is or that there isn't. Its called faith.

You blindly trust and beilieve is somethign u cant feel touch taste hear or see. Do you trust ure parents word that they love you without any proof? I do...i dont know about others but i feel trust is what life revolves around...if you trust someone...

and they brake it...its as if u smacked them in the faed and despised them. You just gotta have trust...but if you dont wanna trust then its fibe by me...u have ure own free will and u can do as u please.

I wont bash you or make fun of you just beacuse u dont bilieve in the smae thing i do...i will gladly hlpe you in any way possible wether emtionally phsically or spritualy i dont care...i just trust in my god when he says help others love one another and beiliev in me as ure christ and savior form sin, death and the devil.

Bam! Marque has decided to join in this "clashing" subject.

"Once..There was this extremely rebellious kid in a school, he would always bully the other students, and he would love going to the office, just because he thought he was so tough. This kid was the bully of the school, the punk. Lets call him Ben.
One day, during recess he shoved a kid down..Hard, and started a fight. The strict teacher caught him,
"Ben, what do you think you are doing?! Come with me to the office, at once!"
The teacher took the rebellious child to the office, and sat him down at the chair in front of the desk, just as the principal walked in. The principal asks,
"What can we do with you? Will you not listen to, or obey any authority?"
"Nope!" The kid replied, "I make my own rules!"
"So you are just a bad kid."
"Exactly."
"You don't deserved to be punished"
"What?"
"I am going to give you, what I like to call..grace"
"What’s grace?"
The principal then asked the teacher to bring him his stick, (you know, they one they punish the kids with ;) ) and she brought it to him, and handed it to him.
At this moment the kid got afraid,
"Give me what you got!"
So the principal handed the stick to the boy, Ben, and he rolled up his sleeves.
"Ok, hit me", asked the principal
The boy was very confused at this, and asked why he wants this.
"Hit me." He said again
So the boy began to lightly hit his bare arms.
"Harder!" the principal cried
So the boy began to smack him very hesitantly.
The boys eyes teared up, as he began to draw blood from the mans arms, and he continued to say.
"You don't deserve to be punished for your deeds, so every time you misbehave I will take the pain."
The boy began crying, as the man started to yelp in pain.
Eventually, the boy couldn't hit anymore, and he asked,
"Why did you do this? You don't deserve this! I deserve the punishment for my wrong doings!"
"This is grace. I am giving you grace. I have taken upon myself the punishment for your wrong doings."

This exact same analogy is the same with Jesus on the cross. God sooo love his children (us) So much, that he gave His only Son. His only Son. The only Son that he had. He gave him to be killed for us. To take upon our sins, so that we need not be punishment, and condemned to hell for eternity. He loves us so much, that he literally died because of our wrong doings. There is no greater man than this that he lay down his life for his friends. God wants to be our best friend. Yet you who refuse to have faith and believe reject the free gift of Jesus upon the cross. No one is worthy, no NOT ONE. All have sinned a fallen short of the glory of God.
Yet....in while we were still sinners, CHRIST DIED FOR US. He takes upon your sin, your secret sinful desires, and every wrong you wallow in.

Faith is believing in things you cannot see correct. But..can you feel it? Can you feel the love of God; can you see the love of God? Take a look around you, God is so great, his grace, and mercy and power preside over all.
Where did you get your great artistic abilities? The power within God. But how can a God so great and loving condemn you to hell? It is not He who condemns..but it is you yourself. You condemn yourself by not trusting and believing in His word. Don't be a doubter like St. Thomas...he had to literally see the Risen Savior with his own eyes, and touch Him just to believe.

John 20:24-29 " "Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.”

A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” "


Remember, Jesus also said...
John 6:47"I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. "

John 10:17 "The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life–only to take it up again."

John 12:25 "The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life."

John 14:6
"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "

i... cant.... resist...... resistance.... is.... futile..... i... must.... respond....

The above post supports my argument in its entirity. Most religions use emotion and not fact to get people to join. It's about how do you feel about this story, doesn't it make you feel that our religion must be true? They tell a story that pulls at the heart strings, no logic, just emotions.

And then to top it off, they quote from a book that was written by man, no proof that the comments in the book are true.

Do we tell stories when telling someone about electricity or celestrial mechanics? No, we tell the facts and say that if you dont beleive what we are stating, then feel free to validate what we have said with experiments and research. And if you find contary evidence in your investigations then others will check and if corroberated then the new evidence that you have found is recognised.

I'm sorry guys, even though i bowed out of the conversation, feel good stories are not going to make me 'feel' as though there is a god, its only going to make me more frustrated that elequent people with charisma and personality continue to make people change their life not based on fact but based on their personal abilities to convince someone of what they feel is right.

Yea, I never usually use stories when I write stuff like that, ever for that exact same reason. I agree with you its not good to play with emotions it that way. I just happened to like that story. But I did back it up with facts! But what you want is solid prood, eh? Look under your feet. Solid proof, in my mind, actually that God exists. I know that is not what you are asking or looking for at all, and that we probally look foolish, eh? There is hard evidence and proof that God exists, we don't need it...and that is the problem, people think they need it to believe.

Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” "

I dont think you look foolish, please dont think that i do.

I have some very good friends who are religious and are practicing christains. I have some friends who are spiritualists and others who belive in ghosts and UFO's.

I don't find their beleives foolish and I dont find them foolish.

However I do know that they have no proof for their beleifs. In most cases they beleive because they choose to for a variety of reasons, often it boils down to 'just because I know its true'. When analysed, the knowing is admited as a feeling. To know one must have proof its true, to beleive one must feel its true.

This is the same argument from scientists who beleived that space travel was impossible, that because in space it is a void, how can pushing propellent out the back end of a rocket possibly work when there is nothing to push against. They felt that it was impossible to work, they didn't have facts, just a feeling. The other scientists who beleived it would work, also had no proof. In this case the later were proven correct. Both scientists were highly respected and still are. The problem was that at the time there were theories, just no proof.

Currently there are theories about ghosts, spirit beings, a creator, ESP, God (in all the various religions), etc. But there is no proof.

What I am suprised at is the lack of using nature to attempt to use as proof that there is an existance of a creator. There are plants that are soley depedant on a specific insect, and the insect is soley dependant on the plant to survive.

Personaly I don't beleive this is proof of a creator, but I am familar with the argument and it is very powerful. Also note that this doesn't prove any particular religion, all you can use it for is to argue the case against the pure evolutionary model.

Ok. I respect Metalskin's point of view that suggests that there is no God due to the fact that there is no 'real' proof. I have a question for you though - Have you read the Bible, have you studied it in search of Evidence for yourself? Yes, It was written by a man, but that doesnt rule it out of being evidence to suggest that God exists! I challenge you to read the Bible and you can ask me any question relating to this topic and I will answer it as best as I can.

You have made a very valid point but from your POV their is no God but in that case this is where Faith comes in. Christians have their evidence (the Bible) and also Faith. With these 2, Christians base their religion upon the principles set forth in the Bible and the Faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 11:1
[ By Faith ] Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.