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, these natural events can happen in the natural evolution of the Earth and the Quran was written by human beings. Therefore you cannot say I am wrong and your religion is more 'logic' than mine because they are both as il-logic as each other.

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i dont have to say anything .. but the scholars or the ppl that study science of the Quran .. they have more knowledge than all of us here... maybe like 100 times more .. so they prooven that this book cant be written by humen ...

and even if MetalSkin wanna argue with them .. they will answer all his Questions .. and they can proove to him .. and plus he dont have knowledge like they do im sure.. he can go to an islamic scholar and he can ask him all the questions he want ... not u or the ppl in GFX void can say that this is written by humens ,,, becuase u guys didnt study this ur hole life .. and u have little knowledge. Peace :D

Your scholars are people who believe in your religion. That makes them biased.

Sorry mate, but to prove such a thing to me you need unbiased commentory on it.

This is a standard method for proving a theory. Used by all academics in all fields. Someone discovers a mummy in egypt and professes their theory about it, well its not until independant unbiased people investigate it before its considered to be true.

Someone who has a vested interest to prove something true doesn't hold the weight of someone who has no vested interest. This is because often a person who wants to prove something true will tend to ignore evidence contary to the fact.

This is why if a crime happens and the detective involved in the case knows the victim or potential suspects then they are not allowed on the case. Because they are biased, even if they try not to be.

So if you think your comments in this regard will ever sway me then your mistaken. I think you will find that anyone who is familar with analytical methods and scientific reasoning will also not be swayed by your arguments.

hell no there not jus in my religion .. they compare everything .. everything that u dont imagine .. still man u dont have enough knowledge ..the only thing u can say is emotion .. and this is not a prove what kind of prove u want .. u want me to raise the dead for u lol :D

I belive in god.

Your answer Illusionist doesn't even address the point I have raised. You claim that my presumed lack of knowledge or experiance prevents me from stating what I have stated? It doesn't take a genius to understand biased observation and commentary.

Do you agree that these people are from your Religion? If they are, then they are biased.

I don't even see where I have asked you to perform a miricle, though if you started to argue on a logical basis and answer the points I have made then maybe that in itself would be a miraculous.

I would suggest that you need to understand the concepts involved in arguing a point of view, the concepts of bias, burden of proof, etc. When you have learned those subjects then maybe you can play with the big boys and poke fun at them. But right now your not displaying yourself in the best light.

omg...this post is goin on and on and on....only like 2 or 3 people are still argueing....god...its pointless...well wuhteva

You saing god aint real? Im aloud to belive in god, people think god aint real just because you cant see him will you cant see ghost but there real, look at all that evidence.

don't get involved Vin..you obviously haven't read the last 15 pages of this arguement like Metal has..he knows what he is talking about and your just stating something that has been argued for atleast 10 pages now..

Hey,im just saying what i belive in and you dont have to read 15 or 10 pages to say what you feel.
This is a a pole saying do you belive yes no so on im not reading 15 pages just to say i belive if i belive ima say it.
I was just answering the pole question, not looking to start trouble over god,if he is real he is real if he is not he is not but intill i find out ima stick to what i belive in.
Sorry if that sounds rude but its just how i feel.

Hey Vincent, I have no problem with your beleif system. I think XH was commenting on how your reason for beleiving has been covered extensivly over the last 15 pages is all.

As for your comments on proof, well it would be best if you read the previous 15 pages to understand what has been said and why your argument isn't one that gains much weight.

Plenty of people once beleived that the earth was flat, that the sun orbited around the earth, etc, etc... belief doesn't prove anything