God

Well, I totally forgot about this post until a second ago...

So fill me in, what are you all talking about?

My answer to that is that there is no justification for those acts. However I can say that Christians DID NOT and i say DID NOT participate in these acts. It was the Catholics of the European region who went on Crusades in which they killed many Jews as well as non-christians. These acts done by the Catholics are the same as any other killing in the 'name of God'.

Its a pity that im not a catholic, or else you would have a point against me but im not! I think theyre quite wrong in their teaching and in the way they portray Jesus and God. Many people put Christians and Catholics in the same group but i do disagree. Christians believe in God,Jesus and Prophets and also in the teachings of the Bible. Catholics however do not read the Bible or base any of the Catholic teachings specifically on the Bible. The Bible is a fundamental part of the Christian faith and when it is neglected as it is in the Catholic religion then im not sure that you can say were of the same religion. They also believe in Mary as being significant more so than Jesus and, i dont see how or why the Catholics see the Pope as being a God -

Thats not quite correct Krazee, but I understand the point your trying to make.

In the early years of the 'church', it was the Catholic church. As in any organisaton the initial reason for the organisation was forgotten and only the self perpetuation of the organisation became the main goal. This happens ovr and over again in many organisations.

The pope isn't seen as a god or as god, but he is considered infallible (adj. Incapable of error in expounding doctrine on faith or morals). Part of the Catholic church uses symbols, including saints and the virgin mary, as a means of focusing worship and prayer. This is partly historic, going back to the ages when reading/writing wasn't available to the 'commoners' and also to help subdivert local religions into the Catholic religion.

They have extra books in the bible, when compared to the Protestant Churches.

Part of the caltholic hold on governments and people was the fact that all bibles were in latin, services were held in latin, but people spoke a different language. The king james bible was designed to be a bible the common people could read (well the ones that could read).

I wont get into a discussion about how the various denominations started, but it's not only about the version of bible (which isn't normaly the reason), normaly its about geography (eg. Greek Orthodox or Russian Orthodox) and ideology.

Now it is my understanding that this has happened in the Muslim faith as well. I know you have the Sunni's and Shi's. Also I know there are differences between physical locations (Arab East compared to Northern Africa).

So I don't think its fair of Ellusionist to use the different denominations or bibles as an argument considering the different types of Muslim's, their different interpritations, etc.

What i meant was that before the great reformation there was only the Catholics and now there are Protestants. Doesnt justify their acts which were sins and punishable by eternal death unless they repented.

However i think the situations are completely different and for completely different reasons.

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So I don't think its fair of Ellusionist to use the different denominations or bibles as an argument considering the different types of Muslim's, their different interpritations, etc.

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Nope u got it wrong, there is sunni and shi'e but still the Same book no Versions .. the only diff is the sunni favor the prophet kalifs (Sahaba) ,,, but the shi'e favor the prophet's family .. thats it ... but we use the same one book Quran (No Versions) no Interpretations to the Book, Same Believes and so on .. and same prayers same everything :D

P.S: plz check ur info before u say something :D

P.S 2: the Quran is Protected from any interpretations or having many other versions that wont happen, only one and thats it .. and u gonna see that while life goes on :D

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Originally posted by tabloid@Apr 26 2005, 05:01 PM
Actually the subject was do you or do you not believe in God? :D

Subjects change all the time, this one has now evolved into religious fanaticism. I think Krazee brought up a good point about killing in the name of Allah, however Christians and Catholics did it for years centuries ago themselves. So... if you're going to ask Ellusionist to explain whether or not its logical then you'll have to answer the same question yourself.

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I can try and answer this..didn't bother reading the rest to see if someone else gave their answer or not so here goes..

I think that the Christians and Catholics had no choice back in the midevil times..as opposed to today with the Taliban..they do have a choice. They choose to fight against us and they chose to bomb the US multiple times and such..whereas the Midevil warriors and such didn't really have a choice. They had to fight whether they were 15 or 40 years old. The king made them do it and they also have a different sence of 'honor' back then IMO whereas we today just say 'We are Americans and we love the USA' (or Canada in your terms) If you've ever heard of Joan Of Arcadia..you can relate to her with this subject. She fought for her country under the Glory of God. The story goes like this: God told her to fight for her freedom and such..I think thats the basic..I haven't studied her enough. She was only 15-18 years old when she started fighting, and was eventually burned at the stake. That was a sense of 'honor' for her country back then..whereas today someone might go into a Black neighborhood and say they hate blacks..and then get shot and killed...that would be a sense of 'honor' today

BTW I'm not racist at all..thats just a way to distinguish my point..I also have black cousins..so I can't be racist :D

Hope this sorta answers your question Tab.

Just a correction - You are saying that Christians ( Protestants ) went and killed many non-believers, but it was theCatholic church which did what you claim. Dont want to sound like shifting the blame but there was only the Catholic church back then before reformation.

my opinion on all this is that this god stuff is bullshit, no offense to anyone :blink: but thats me ;)

i dont even know why im posting this :lol:

Look and belive in one.
That IS the main subject in ALL religions.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddish and Hindu.
All have "The One"
So really, how far are we off?
Jews and Christians trust in the same God, different Testament to be a Jew or Christian.
Jew read and follow ONLY The Old Testament and Christians read and folow the Old and New Testament but mainly the New.
Muslims follow the Koran but much speculation come from the orignal writtings to now.
People have told me personally, that the Koran is filled with murder, blasfamy and tells the people who follow Alah, to hate or even kill the "infadeels"(Non-belivers of the Muslim religion).
If this is true then damn.
But I really don't think it is.
Buddish and Hindu are close to the same like Christians and Jews, just a few different things.
This topic is about God.
So overall, there is someone or something out there.
Something that is a glimmer of hope to the rest of use.
There is a God, too much evidence to say there is not and too much FAITH to say there isn't aswell.

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Originally posted by Kritacul@May 4 2005, 09:05 AM
Look and belive in one.
That IS the main subject in ALL religions.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddish and Hindu.
All have "The One"
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Buddish and Hindu are close to the same like Christians and Jews, just a few different things.
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There is a God, too much evidence to say there is not and too much FAITH to say there isn't aswell.

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Buddhism and Hinduism aren't even close to eachother, let alone Christianity, Jeudaism, and Islam. The Hindi religion has many many gods but the religion is far to complicated to call them "gods" you need to study the religion to understand it, it's not at all comparable to Christianity or Juedasim. Buddhism doesn't even have a god. A god figure is not a common thread in world religions. The only true commonality is a reason to exist. There has to be something more than us, the mass majority can't handle the idea that we're just a coincidence, a single blip in a sea of meaningless blips. "who am i", "why am i here", "what should i do", these are the questions that religion seeks to answer. But they're all just made up answers.