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You may be correct 43 but the Bible says that there is only One and only one who can save you from your sins. If you dont believe in the salvation of Jesus elusionist then we dont have the same God! Simple as that.
So do you believe in God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit? If not then we dont have the same God...
ok ok .. ur right .. but u know that the holy trinity thing was made up by a guy .. not by Jesus or God ...
if jesus said that or God ... then i would believe but its not !! Thats the thing u wont understand .. !
Who Invented The Trinity?</span>
Paul of Tarsus<span style=\'color:blue\'>, the man who could rightfully be considered the true founder of Christianity, did formulate many of its doctrines, that of the Trinity was not among them. He did, however, lay the groundwork for such when he put forth the idea of Jesus being a "divine Son". After all, a Son does need a Father, and what about a vehicle for God's revelations to man? In essence, Paul named the principal players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter together.
Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third-century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.
And whats your point?
You believe in a different God to me, dont tell me about my religion because i already kno! Whats the point of this information. ???
How about this. How about you actually_READ_my post. Where I_CLEARLY_stated that evolution_IS_just a super-exagerated form of adaptation and natural selection.
As far as the big bang theory is concerned, You failed to mention that I stated that, in my opinion, I do not see us comming from the same single-celled organism as EVERYTHING else on this planet. If that were the case, the scientific naming system would be slightly different. Eh? Oh wait. No it wouldn't because the big bang theory is JUST a theory and cannot be proven either way so were arguing over something that neither one of us can prove ourselves right about so why bother.
And where did I say that God has the power to "Pop" things up just like that. Oh that's right. I didn't. You said that it was possible that God made the big bang. So what? If God is the creator of ALL things. There had to be a first. hmmm.. empty void.... then universe... then big bang? Something had to "pop" out of thin air or God wouldn't have anything to manipulate to create the big bang. Last I checked He was the Creator of all things... Not the Manipulator of some things, that create other things.
The Point is Jesus didnt say anything bout the Holy Trinity Thing .. It was made up by a Man "Paul of Tarsus" .. jesus didnt claim that he was GODQuote:
And whats your point?
You believe in a different God to me, dont tell me about my religion because i already kno! Whats the point of this information. ???
Exactly 100% with u buddy :DQuote:
And where did I say that God has the power to "Pop" things up just like that. Oh that's right. I didn't. You said that it was possible that God made the big bang. So what? If God is the creator of ALL things. There had to be a first. hmmm.. empty void.... then universe... then big bang? Something had to "pop" out of thin air or God wouldn't have anything to manipulate to create the big bang. Last I checked He was the Creator of all things... Not the Manipulator of some things, that create other things.
Like in Our Quran it Says:
"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is." 002.117
"Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!" 036.082
Jesus didnt need to claim that he was God, why, Because he was God.
If you mean to say that the Trinity was made up my prophets meaning that they are false or could be false, means that you religion may be wrong too. Why because the 'prophets' of the Islamic faith claim that there is a God and that he exists. Therefore were in the same boat, why, because we both believe in what the prophets have written about God.?!?!
That's right, you clearly stated that it's a "super-exagerated form of adaptation and natural selection" which it is NOT. It's just a single word used for the process of adaptation and natural selection. There is no exaggeration to it.Quote:
Originally posted by Soulbound@May 10 2005, 04:08 AM
How about this. How about you actually_READ_my post. Where I_CLEARLY_stated that evolution_IS_just a super-exagerated form of adaptation and natural selection.
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As for the holy trinity, if you go through the the history of the Catholic church you'll see that they pretty much picked up whatever culture was around and incorporated it as best they could. The trinity came from the Celtic culture in Ireland. HOWEVER this is not to say that it was "made-up". The Catholic church, while trying to convert different cultures, would take symbols that they knew and understood and equate them to the Catholic church. So although the symbols in the Catholic church are not to be taken literally, they are not just made-up (most of them).
Which Prophets u Mean .. Paul of Tarsus wasnt a Prophet ! .. Our Prophets in islam r:Quote:
Jesus didnt need to claim that he was God, why, Because he was God.
If you mean to say that the Trinity was made up my prophets meaning that they are false or could be false, means that you religion may be wrong too. Why because the 'prophets' of the Islamic faith claim that there is a God and that he exists. Therefore were in the same boat, why, because we both believe in what the prophets have written about God.?!?!
1. Prophet Adam
2. Prophet Idris (Enoch)
3. Prophet Nuh (Noah)
4. Prophet Hud
5. Prophet Salih
6. Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham)
7. Prophet Ishmael
8. Prophet Jacob
9. Prophet Lut
10. Prophet Shuaib
11. Prophet Joseph (Yusuf)
12. Prophet Job (Ayoub)
13. Prophet Jonah (Yunus)
14. Prophet Musa (Moses) & Aaron (Harun)
16. Prophet Ezekiel (Hizqeel)
17. Prophet Elisha (Elyas)
18. Prophet Samuel
19. Prophet Dawud (David)
20. Prophet Solomon (Sulaiman)
22. Prophet Zakariyah & Yahya
23. Prophet Isa (Jesus)
24. Prophet Muhammad
These r The Prophet and there are Many More .. And nobody of them Said That Jesus is God or talked bout the holy Trinity
Paul of Tarsus was the second important founder of Christianity thats what the christians say .. but he is NOT a Prophet !
So who was Paul of Tarsus then?
According to what the christians say ... Paul of Tarsus was the second important founder of Christianity .. but he is NOT a Prophet !
