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When i said We i ment the country not us specificly.
We are in iraq, besides getting oil what else are we doing. Trying to alter governemtn. By your definition we are terrorists as well. **** america, ill say it all day. Im not even from usa, im russian. I'd love to move back to europe somewhere or canada. Im still 16 tho :/
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When i said We i ment the country not us specificly.
We are in iraq, besides getting oil what else are we doing. Trying to alter governemtn. By your definition we are terrorists as well. **** america, ill say it all day. Im not even from usa, im russian. I'd love to move back to europe somewhere or canada. Im still 16 tho :/
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this country's better off without you. i'll say it all day.
and if you're not from the US, and don't care about the US, and prefer Europe, it's my opinion that you have no room to criticize us.
I got all the room in the world to criticize you. Your actions affect the world not just america.
1) you cannot criticize anyone when you cannot even hope to do better
2) your country is a bigger ****up than america, and you want to talk about who should be criticized?
3) it's painfully obvious that the only reason you want to prove that the government was behind the attacks is because you hate the government. the only reason anyone should be looking for alternatives to terrorism in 9/11 is to find the truth so that justice can be served. you don't give a shit about that.
Why dont you just go slit your wrists?
Bush Dickrider, Russia is not a ****up. Russia is a great country!!!
well i think this conversation is over.
i'm sure you would like for me to make a snapp comeback, but no, i'll use logic.
at what point in my entire sequence of posts did i give ANY grounds for you to make a comment about me slitting my wrists?
times up.
stfu.
Yeah im done talking about this with you, lets have someone with some sense post. Even if they post they think its not real, at least lets hope they have maturity in thier post.
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Now think about the structure. It was only damaged from the top. The structure at the bottem was stable. The Jetfuel only burns to a certain degree. It takes Numerous hours to heat up steal to 2000degrees. Then the steal has to bend. On the 2nd WTC, the majority of jetfuel was outside the building not inside. Giving the precision of the buildings coming down, preasure did not do this. They came down carefully like controlled demolition. They came in Caved in.
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Don't say things like they're facts when none of us truly knows what happened.Quote:
9/11 is a tragedy, that the bush administration Mainly including his brother created.
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We are terrorists too(using your definition).
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Just to let you know, you should do a little research yourself first before you start saying all of these bold things. Let me help you understand the physics of all of this a little better.Quote:
We are in iraq, besides getting oil what else are we doing. Trying to alter governemtn. By your definition we are terrorists as well. **** america
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The WTC towers were built during the 60s-70s. They were using a new technique to making sky scrapers in which it was more cost and time effective and they were made with much lighter materials. Even though the wind was low that day, the wind alone pushed the towers to 1/3 of their pressure limit. The fires didn't reach 2000 degrees. They didn't need to. There was 90,000 gallons of jet fuel. Now, just because there is so much it doesnt mean that the fire by any means was hotter than if there was less, it just means that there was more of a fire. The steel in the building begins to soften at 425 degrees celsius. The beams lose half of their strength at 650C. Even with only half of their strength, the beams would have held up. They would have held up at half strength after being weakend by a plane (1/30 the mass of the towers) crashing into them at 500 mph. They would have even held up at half strength with the wind pushing them to 1/3 of their pressure limit after being hit by a plane. The issue isn't how hot was the fire, it was how did the fire burn. Clearly the fire wasn't consistent through the beams on the floor the plane hit. It was up to 1000-1500C at some points and for example, 850C in other areas. The beams then warped because some parts were hotter than others and those parts expanded. This inconsistency in both heat, density, and size made the thin beams (remember it was made with lighter materials) buckle and break.
Thats about the fire, now for the structure and weight. Each building itself was 500,000 tons. Each floor could withstand 1,300 tons more than its own weight. The problem wasn't mainly the beams. After the plane took out a few beams (due to the way it was set up) and the heat took out others, the problem became the angle clips holding the joists between the columns. When the beams gave way, the angle clips became ineffective, the joists broke, and the columns bent outward. This outward motion allowed the floors above to come down. The crash/fire affected about 10 floors. Those floors came down due to the reasons I said before. Even though each floor can withstand 1,300 tons more than its own weight, it clearly couldn't hold up the 45,000 tons of the 10 floors above them. After those 10 floors it was just like the domino effect. The towers themselves were not solid. They were 95% air, so they easily collapsed on themselves (aka implode). Keep in mind that these towers were built to make sure the buildings didn't sway back and forth in the wind, so after the plane hit it, like you said the tower didn't fall immediately. That horizontal motion was finished. There was no reason the tower would have fallen horizontally. It fell as it should.
Hopefully that makes it a little bit easier for you to understand why they collapsed.
As for the whole "oil is the reason we went into iraq" stuff, that is the biggest liberal media lie I've heard. If you didn't know, even now years into the war, what oil have we gotten from Iraq? In feburary 2006, only 0.047% of all crude oil imported to the US is from Iraq. Only 0.040% of all petroleum imported is from Iraq. All past months and in the past couple years, that rate has been about the same. So the whole oil thing, you should probably stop trying to use that as an arguement.
According to Sui's definition of terrorist, we are actually not terrorists despite your apparent belief. We did not initiate the attack.
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
We were attacked, and we acted on that attack, so we threatened (and followed through with) use of force or violence, but it was the lawful use of force/violence. It was lawful because we were attacked first. Now, before you say "but wait Jack, it wasnt iraq that attacked us!" Of course it wasn't. It was Iraq, however, that assisted in the training of the terrorists aboard the planes. Both US and British intelligence shows specific occasions in which Hussein invited Bin Laden and followers to Iraq and to neighboring countries, and he taught them new methods of building and employing explosives, he gave them supplies, and he even allowed them to train on a commercial plane he had. By the way, if you read my earlier post, Iraq did have WMDs, they were hidden in Syria.
We had the catalyst, we had the justification, and we had the means to attack terrorism and prevent further attacks. So, thats exactly what we did. There have been multiple recorded attempts at an attack that have been prevented.
One last time for emphasis: before you try to argue an unbelievably extreme conspiracy theory, do some research yourself. Everything I've said I've carefully researched myself. I love my country.
LOL, im to lazy to read your whole post but i skimmed through. Dylan did his research on the support beams on WTC.
I support what i belive, and im not stepping down. Im not giving up either(ima keep researching) I plan on writing a report on this(Get extra credits for highschool) About the Oil, Doesnt matter how much crude oil hsa been imported to US. Now bush is able to import himself being he's in control.
Now im not going into no flame war with you, but thats a weak defense on the structure of WTC without actually knowing what was used to build it. Link to any sources of yours?
Edit: Going with the Terrorist theory, CIA was the ones who initially trained them. Iraq really hadnt much to do with 9.11
I can teach you how to build a bomb too, does that make me responsible if you go and build a bomb and bomb your neighbor. Its Freedom of Speech.
No Iraq was in the making of having WMD's. All they found was a warehouse of Chemicals. Link to where it says WMD's were in Syria. So does this now make syria responsible too, and we should go invade thier country?
1. It was staged by Steven Spielberg and the movie will be coming out this winter "Nightmare Before 9/11"
2. The idea of a plane being taken over by terrorists with box cutters is like clowns hijacking a tour bus with squirt guns.
3. Blame Bush, everyone else does.
4. I bet if a plane hit your house on that day you would be supporting the war.
5. Your an idiot if you think this war is about oil.....its about oil, payback, and keeping america safe =)
6. I think I went off topic.
