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Sciense and Quran: and i have alot where that came from alot of Science and Quran Proofs just tell me if u want more :D wait little bit for the image to load:
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Originally posted by tabloid@Apr 5 2005, 02:02 AM
what I love about Noahs ark is that god chose one family to be saved out of all the people in the world. Im sure more than 6 people were "honorable"
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Ok..I believe in the Holy Bible..so heres one answer..Adam and Eve screwed if up in the first place by disobeying God..(eating the apple off the tree) Since they screwed it up...their DNA went down to the families after them (the ones that got wiped out by the Flood). God got rid of them because they were full of sin and Noah and his family were pure...so thats why he chose them..therefore there were no other "honorable" people...Noah completely had faith in God and never disobeyed him!
Sorry for going back 2 pages...you guys posted like 1 1/2 pages worth today...so the first thing I read was on page 9..*the quote above*
XxBLPxX HaVeN :`) u got little bit confused on the Adam Story here read the True Story :`)
Link: Here
and tell me what u think :`)
lol, yeah i know, this has taken off a touch. maybe my fault partly.
Well about the concept around Noah, I have always thought it was a bit extream. Sure using human emotions, we can relate to the feeling of wanting to wipe a whole heap of people out that p*ssed us off. Specialy those slow driving ones in the fast lane!
But we're talking about a devine being who from what everyone says, should be above all this. Most religions put human emotions on their gods, and i woudl say both Muslim and Christain faiths have done the same.
Of course the nature of god could be anything. I mean anyone can jump up and start saying that they have the latest inside scoop on God and what he is about, but I aint seen anyone actualy back it up. Oh sure, the Bible and other texts talk about things that happened ages ago. But that was centuries ago, stuff that is very subjective in analysis as to what actualy went down.
But this is all beside the point. Linguistic arguments based on interpritation of scriptures, regardless of the relligious context, is prone to a massive margin of error. Just look at how long the Catholic Church taught that the Bible states that the world was flat.
But as I posted ealier in this thread, I'm going to abstain from debate. Someone who chose to beleive not based on logic cannot be convinced from such beleif via logic.
And before you ask, many reasons people beleive, most common is socail and family upbringing. Hard to not beleive what you have been taught as truth since before you could walk.
Second is the emotional/social aspect.
I've yet to see anyone convinced by pure logic that they should beleive in any religion.
another Science and Quran Evidence :D : wait for the image to load:
the Stages of Germ .. :D
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The middle east has always been recognised as being more scientific. Over the centuries a lot of good stuff has come out of that area. That doesn't mean that God came down and told em this is how it is.
The same as saying that a book that a person had to write could not have possibly known what you just quoted above? Quasi curiuos minds have researched 'science' through out the ages on their own before the formalisation of the concept of science. Anyone involved in the birthing process, health care of pregnant women, etc would have known what you have quoted.
The mechanism for becomming pregnant has been known since the start of recorded history, and it is logical to presume that curious minds would have studied pregnancy, still borns, early term terminations, etc. As such yuor above quote doesn't prove that a god had to tell some bloke to write it down.
Thats even if I accept your attempts at using scriptural quotes to prove an understanding of scientific fact beyond the understanding of people at the time it was written.
Anyway, i'll be back later, gotta go do some work :-(
Basicly, your claiming that god exists, because the people that wrote the Quran were right about a bunch of scientific events, and that they also claim that god exists. You know what, have you ever considered that people could be wrong? Claiming something is completley different then proving something. There is solid evidence that supports the Evoluton theory, but not one solid peice of evidence that proves the existance of God, The Arc, or even Addam and Eve. Those 100 scientists could be wrong.
Now, Im not saying that im right. But, the proof that your throwing at us, just isnt solid. Most of it is people who claim that god exists, because a land formation looks like an arc, and that when people go to space, they find it hard to breathe. Theres a hill at my old school, you know what it looks like? it looks like some old person's ass, lets say I write a really long book, with some stories that "prove" the existance of god, and some where in this book, I mention this hill. This doesnt prove anything about god.
Also, the fact that it doesnt look like you've even researched the other side of the argument, that maybe god doesnt exist leaves alot of holes in your whole story. Another thing... if god doesnt need to prove to us that he exists, then why would he leave so many "signs".
Sorry, I guess im just stubborn.
another Science and Quran Fact :`) i can go for ever lol i just wanna know how ppl 2000 and a half years ago or maybe more that know all this ... :`)
dont forget that they say Recently discovered :`)
The only Thing that u guys can say is "oh that doesnt proove that God exist" thats the only excuse u have hehe :D
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You dont believe in evolution? How do you explain the tadpoles EVOLVING to frogs?Quote:
Originally posted by XxBLPxX HaVeN@Apr 1 2005, 01:58 PM
and if he does say that we were evolved from monkeys...just a question (I don't believe in evolution) How did the monkeys get here?
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How do you explain Larva (catterpillars) EVOLVING to Pupa (chrysalis) To Adult (Butterfly) ?
This is abit off topic though, but I still need to know and clarification of, even though the Quran and the Bible speak of the same characters and possibly the same God how can there be so much religious tension worldwide between the two religions
Although it is off topic I want to know why this is occuring and why there is such prejudice between the two religions
Back to the topic now and why Noahs ark for an example why not choose another. The next person to choose and question an event regarding the Bible, i shall personally research and answer any questions there may be.
KRAZEE
Man everybody knows the Evolution is BS ... ur talking bout stages of growin .. like the germ stage in the mother's stomacheQuote:
You dont believe in evolution? How do you explain the tadpoles EVOLVING to frogs?
How do you explain Larva (catterpillars) EVOLVING to Pupa (chrysalis) To Adult (Butterfly) ?
ok KRAZAA here is the story .. after jesus died .. the bible got interpretated three groups splitted .. Group Believed that God is Jesus ... Group Believed That Jesus Was the son of God ... And Group Believed that God in one and jesus is his Prophet..Quote:
This is abit off topic though, but I still need to know and clarification of, even though the Quran and the Bible speak of the same characters and possibly the same God how can there be so much religious tension worldwide between the two religions
Although it is off topic I want to know why this is occuring and why there is such prejudice between the two religions
Back to the topic now and why Noahs ark for an example why not choose another. The next person to choose and question an event regarding the Bible, i shall personally research and answer any questions there may be.
So Then the Quran came to correct these interpretations and the Quran Goes with the Last Group that jesus is a prophet and God is one and there is alot of other interpretations that happened to the bible :D
Another Science and Quran:
RED ROSE NEBULA see what quraan surah 55[Al-REHMAN]Ayah371,we see it now in the years 1999-2000!and quran metioned before 632 A.D. The picture is taken by NASA by Hubble Space Telescopeof the CATS EYE NEBULA.
What prooof and Evidence u want more lol :D
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Originally posted by sh4d0w@Apr 6 2005, 04:35 AM
You dont believe in evolution? How do you explain the tadpoles EVOLVING to frogs?
How do you explain Larva (catterpillars) EVOLVING to Pupa (chrysalis) To Adult (Butterfly) ?
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Probably the most idiotic person I've ever seen post here...
I'm talking about the THEORY OF EVOLUTION...what your talking about is metamorphosis doushebag...get your facts straight..
this is garbage now, plain and simple.
Theres no point in even arguing this anymore because its now devolved into name calling.
Everyone knows the theory of evolution is BS? If ignorance is bliss, you truly must be the happiest man in the world.
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Originally posted by Crofty@Jan 20 2005, 04:49 PM
God , is just a figament of your imagination people invented to blame everything good and bad on. That's what i beleive anyways, you think you're talking to god , and you think he's listening and you don't know any different.
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Exactly what I was about to say.
I, personally.. have a strong belief in reincarnation. I do WANT to believe there is a heaven and a hell.. but I highly doubt it. If mythology was made up.. with its tons of gods and creatures.. why isn't GOD? Why aren't we believing in Zeus and other religious gods.. people are born and grown from the belief of hearing of one god.. one god, their god. No one ever questions it because sociaity prevents them.
How do we know that god isn't made up also?
I really do WANT to believe there is a god.. a creator of everything good and evil.. but the question always wanders.. is the religion made up? What if Jesus and the others that "heard" and "spoke" to god were just psycho. Ever hear of those cases back then? They were there.. they just don't develop out of the bloom.. their is past and history with those diseases.
Please.. no one take this as a chance to label me as a devil worshipper or wtfever. Just a state of opinion.
well u have to read the stories of the prophets .. then u can decide whose psycho :DQuote:
I really do WANT to believe there is a god.. a creator of everything good and evil.. but the question always wanders.. is the religion made up? What if Jesus and the others that "heard" and "spoke" to god were just psycho. Ever hear of those cases back then? They were there.. they just don't develop out of the bloom.. their is past and history with those diseases.
Because satan like to play with ppls mind specially when the prophets were there .. ppl nowadays .. satan wants u to think that way .. because he said to God:
"He said (satan): Tell me, is this he (Adam) whom Thou hast honored above me? If Thou shouldst respite me to the day of resurrection, I will most certainly cause his progeny to perish except a few."
"He said (God): Be gone! for whoever of them will follow you, then surely hell is your recompense, a full recompense:"
"And excite any of them whom thou canst with thy voice, and urge thy horse and foot against them, and be a partner in their wealth and children, and promise them. Satan promiseth them only to deceive."
So .. satan is playing with ur mind he want u to think that there is no God .. or the prophets were psycho and so on.. because he hates humen kind .. and he wants us to be tortured in hell with him (satan)
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Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST@Apr 13 2005, 02:09 AM
well u have to read the stories of the prophets .. then u can decide whose psycho :D
Because satan like to play with ppls mind specially when the prophets were there .. ppl nowadays .. satan wants u to think that way .. because he said to God:
"He said (satan): Tell me, is this he (Adam) whom Thou hast honored above me? If Thou shouldst respite me to the day of resurrection, I will most certainly cause his progeny to perish except a few."
"He said (God): Be gone! for whoever of them will follow you, then surely hell is your recompense, a full recompense:"
"And excite any of them whom thou canst with thy voice, and urge thy horse and foot against them, and be a partner in their wealth and children, and promise them. Satan promiseth them only to deceive."
So .. satan is playing with ur mind he want u to think that there is no God .. or the prophets were psycho and so on.. because he hates humen kind .. and he wants us to be tortured in hell with him (satan)
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Rofl. ;P Makes sense.. except that I believe in no Satan neither. :B If he was playing with my mind.. wouldn't I be all devill worshipper?
ahh but Juicy has raised the point I was trying to make from another angle. That being who do we beleive when so many different religious groups claim to be the one true religion? And a fair few are older than yours!
Your argument for claiming your beleifs to be true is based on religious texts that you think are true only because of your faith.
Coming from a non-faith point of view, why would i beleive that the texts you quote are the word of god or his/her prophets? Your arguments are circlar and dependant on either your religious texts or non-independant commentary.
This is not the best way to argue for somoene to beleive that your faith is the one and only true faith amongst all the multitude of beleif systems that are available to the modern faith based consumer.
satan dont wont u to worship he dont care the only thing he care is that u disobay God thats it .. and at the end u gonna go hell with him thats all he care .. but he doesnt to control u .. he only with ur mind thats it.Quote:
Rofl. ;P Makes sense.. except that I believe in no Satan neither. :B If he was playing with my mind.. wouldn't I be all devill worshipper?
@ MetalSkin
well u have to read the stories on why the jew book came then the bible then the Quran ... Read the Prophet Stories and u will know why..
P.S: i already put proofs before this post that the book is book of God and Thank u :`)
You were probably raised to obey God like you do. I wasn't. Haven't been to a church since I was a 7. Only went to church so I can get patches and a vest. Was fun. You're very thick-headed.. to say that we are wrong and we are going to hell when really.. you don't know if God is real neither.Quote:
Originally posted by eLLuSioNiST@Apr 13 2005, 07:10 PM
satan dont wont u to worship he dont care the only thing he care is that u disobay God thats it .. and at the end u gonna go hell with him thats all he care .. but he doesnt to control u .. he only with ur mind thats it.
@ MetalSkin
well i have to read the stories on why the jew book came then the bible then the Quran ... Read the Prophet Stories and u will know why..
P.S: i already put proofs before this post that the book is book of God and Thank u :`)
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Juicy, you've started it now :D
What the hell i didnt say that u gonna go to hell !! .. i dont know the Future so stop making things up !!Quote:
You were probably raised to obey God like you do. I wasn't. Haven't been to a church since I was a 7. Only went to church so I can get patches and a vest. Was fun. You're very thick-headed.. to say that we are wrong and we are going to hell when really.. you don't know if God is real neither
and 2nd thing there is lot of things that proof that God exist ,, and i mentioned them before or the posts before ... but ppl like u r too lazy to search and learn and try to figure out the Truth .. !
3rd thing no its not because i was raised like that no ! ... i searched alot and found the truth and talked to lot of educated ppl that have more knowledge than u and me and they r specialized in these things !!
In the Bible it clearly states that when you die all will be judged. And if you believe in no God then you ARE going to Hell. It cleary states that in the Bible if you believe in Jesus Christ you WILL go to heaven. This is what I believe and it does not mean you have to believe in it
From my point of view, I believe that if you dont have faith in Jesus then you're going to hell. Im sorry but thats the truth of the Bible, thats where my Faith is and thats all.
If you disagree thats fine. You may say i dont have proof - Your wrong. I got all the proof I need with me - The Bible. What more proof do you need. Ellusionist, You dont need to sugar coat the truth to make it sound better to suit these people, You speak what evers instructed in the Qaran.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [ Or through] Christ Jesus our Lord
So...what your saying is?
you can go on a manslaughter killing thousands and doing so many sins it aint funny....
and belive in jesus and still go to heaven....
lol suuuree
like he said its his POV..not everyone's..but for me I have no POV on God..I know he's there for a fact...I have no luck in my life, only blessings..Otherwise I would be doing drugs, havin sex, and what not everyday of my life..but thank the Lord that I'm not...its a matter of how you look at life really..whether you appreciate it of not..thats all.
Thats right, no matter what do you God forgives not for what we've done. But what Jesus did by dying on the Cross to pay for our sins. Thats salvation. We could do nothing to get forgiveness from God but only through Jesus' death on the cross can we go to Heaven. Thats where Faith comes in to play. :DQuote:
NextDay* Posted Today, 11:43 AM
* So...what your saying is?
you can go on a manslaughter killing thousands and doing so many sins it aint funny....
and belive in jesus and still go to heaven....
lol suuuree
And what if the Bible is just another book written by a guy that had a lot of time on his hand?
and if that happened...he would be one of the richest wo/men in the world...who would do that and not take credit..billions of people have a Bible..thats why I believe God wrote the Bible
oh you poor misguided young lad... i defy you to find but one thing wrong with doing drugs and having sex everyday lol We should ALL be so lucky. lol :DQuote:
Originally posted by XxBLPxX HaVeN@Apr 14 2005, 07:59 PM
Otherwise I would be doing drugs, havin sex, and what not everyday of my life..but thank the Lord that I'm not...
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yeah hopefully when u catch AIDS .. i wanna see how lucky u will be lol :D
dont know what to believe really, how can you be sure?
hahaha, id hate to go through life as terrified as you ellusionist lol.
When you grow up, you'll get it lol.
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hahaha, id hate to go through life as terrified as you ellusionist lol.
When you grow up, you'll get it lol.
lol good for u if u think that what it means to be a man lol
as i have said before, i will say again:
Faith is the beleif in something which there is no evidence thereof.
Anyone who believes that a book or parchment, must use 'faith' to beleive that the claims in such written text are the absolute truth. The esense of the christian religion is to have faith in the 'unseen'.
Both the Bible and the Quaran (however you spell it) both have contraditions in it, which even the main stream religious authorties will admit, but make excuses for.
The books were written by men, and not just by one, by many. In the case of the Bible, in more than one language. The Cathlic Church held a big meeting centuries ago to decide which books should be in the modern bible. Men decided this, not God. No void from heaven was recorded as saying "this is my holy word so obey and beleive in it". No, only men have claimed that its the 'word of god'.
There is no publication, text or whatever, that anyone can prove wasn't written by a man or woman. Many that claim it was written by god, but none that can prove it.
Thus I conclude that using quotes from a religious book to prove that it is in fact the truth is so shaky a foundation to base an argument on, that I will not continue this line of argument.
I'm sorry if I find the basis of your faith hard to comprehend, but beleiving that a publication is true because it says it is, is a weird way to determine truth. On another point, there are an awful lot of copies of Hitler's book around, and it claims to be true. But that doesn't make it true. Same as there are tonnes of books about the Atkins Diet being the best diet in the world, or Avon publications preaching how good Avon is better than Amway, but that doesn't make the claims true, just because plenty of people beleive in them.
Truth isn't a democrocy, its a fact.
/end rant
thats ok MetalSkin .. just be patient ... and u will know the truth soon :D
you mean close my eyes, decide to be blind to fact and just leap right in and beleive in your beleifs solely based on the fact that you and your book say they are true?
Sorry mate, but before I turn my life upside down and choose a religion, I want proof that its true, not have to trust that its true.
I don't beleive a politician's claims on the TV, and I wont beleive a Preacher/Priest/Pastor/Iman/etc claims from the pulpit.
Give me some evidence with independant correlation and i will consider it. but give me arguments that have been presented here, and no amount of patience will make me beleive in them.
do u have proof that men made that book .. ? if so prove it ?
the problem is .. that u wanna see the thing in front of u .. to believe in it .. because humens r so limited minded ...
and what i ment is .. u gonna die so who knows when .. and there u gonna know the truth but its gonna be to late .. :``(
ahh so you admit that you have no proof? sorry mate, but no one knows absolutly what happens when you die. or if they think they do then they have no indepentadly verifyable proof.
So for me, I will stick to my argument that I will not beleive in any faith unless proof of the faith being true can be proven. And then the 'faith' becomes a fact, so it doesn't matter.
The idea that you need faith to beleive in a fact is contradictory, but the idea that you need faith to beleive in the unknown and unknowable required faith, faith in something with no evidence.
So lets stop pretending that you have evidence, lets just call your beleif systems a faith based belief system and then i will be happy.
ok so u think all the ppl that believe in God r stupid and deseprete .. so ur the only smart Guy That Figured out that there is no God and u r the wise man and u think ur right lol
man there r ppl that r specialized in Religion for example islam and they have knoweledge more than u and they spent there hole life studying this ... ! so u think they r stupid .. and ur the smarter and the all knowing !
