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I dont really agree with that statement. I myself am a Christian, and I make sure I never confuse belief with absolute certainty. I 'believe' I will be go to heaven, but there is absolutely no way I can proove for sure that I will.Quote:
Originally posted by unit_number_43@1 Week Ago
Because you can't Believe something if you don't believe it. Lol. That plan of yours goes against the whole idea of religion. You're not supposed to follow religion because you think there might be a chance that it's right, and you don't want to get screwed in the end. You're supposed to follow it because you believe it.
Consider this scenario.
You go to sit on a chair. The same chair you have sat on for the past 2 years. You now have faith in the chair because it has performed the same for 2 years without any problems. You sit on the chair and it suddenly snaps. You believed it wouldnt break, but it did. You couldve checked the chair before hand, but you didnt. Despite what you believed about the chair at that day and that time, it still broke.
My point being I 'believe' I will go to heaven, and will continue to spread the gospel and testimony of how God has acted in my life because I 'believe' he has worked within me. I also believe I wont get hit by a bus this afternoon on completion of this message, but how do I know......
wait, joy how does that have to do with 43's post.
if people dont push their faith upon me then i have no problem with it. the second some asshole comes to my door asking for money because their a "jehova's witness" i lose respect for their faith, because they have no respect for what i beleive in, which is absolutly nothing.
perhaps i should have quoted both comments
the first post that is of significance to my post was Krazee's
and then 43 replied withQuote:
Also, what do u have to lose? What if there is a God?
Take this as an example - Me and Jo (made up person) are living our lives. Ima christian and he is an atheist. We live our lives according to our beliefs and faiths and morals, and we die at the same time and i go to heaven because of my faith but he goes to hell because of his lack of faith. OR! I cease to exist and so does he because there is no God in the first place. I havent lost out and neither has he. But that is just if there is no God but i do believe there is so why not!
cue Joy's first post...Quote:
Because you can't Believe something if you don't believe it. Lol. That plan of yours goes against the whole idea of religion. You're not supposed to follow religion because you think there might be a chance that it's right, and you don't want to get screwed in the end. You're supposed to follow it because you believe it.
comprende undertone?
jehovas wittnesses are gay.
They come to your door, try to sell something or just ask for money. When you try to say no thanks or whatever and close the door theyll block the door and keep whining and then u have to slam the door to their faces.
stupid bastards.
and they think their the only ones that dont go to hell.
but hey, this has nothing to do with anything around here so please, continue ^^
That really has nothing to do with what i said. I didn't compare belief to knowing. i compared belief to fear.Quote:
Originally posted by Invincible-Joy@5 Hours Ago
I dont really agree with that statement. I myself am a Christian, and I make sure I never confuse belief with absolute certainty. I 'believe' I will be go to heaven, but there is absolutely no way I can proove for sure that I will.
Consider this scenario.
You go to sit on a chair. The same chair you have sat on for the past 2 years. You now have faith in the chair because it has performed the same for 2 years without any problems. You sit on the chair and it suddenly snaps. You believed it wouldnt break, but it did. You couldve checked the chair before hand, but you didnt. Despite what you believed about the chair at that day and that time, it still broke.
My point being I 'believe' I will go to heaven, and will continue to spread the gospel and testimony of how God has acted in my life because I 'believe' he has worked within me. I also believe I wont get hit by a bus this afternoon on completion of this message, but how do I know......
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For example. If I hand you a gun and tell you the gun is empty and to put it to your head and pull the trigger. You probably wouldn't, because you don't believe me. Now if I took another gun and told you'd i'd blown your brains out if you didn't do what I said, then you probably would do it...but not because you believed me. You'd do it because you were scared of the consequences.
Dragoneye,
A ) They don't try to sell anything other than the word of god
B ) They don't believe that they are all going to heaven. They believe there's a set number that will go, and no more... but they don't know who those people are.
Actualy the whole JW area is very complex, which is beyond the subject of this thread in all honesty. But to say comments like "they're all gay" and "all they do is ask for money" is not based on fact and is just an expression of how you feel.
Actualy what you stated is a good example of beleif. You beleive that all JW's are gay and that they just ask for money. Obviously the fact is different and can be proven, also it's obvious that your beleif is based on your feelings about people who hassle you in your house. Most prob. your beleif is from what other people have told you (ie. hearsay) and not from direct expriance.
This is how any beleif system works. It's not about facts, it's about how someone feels. I have experianced a lot of fanaticism, and in every case it's all about emotions. This applies to any type of ideology, which can apply to politics, religion, country, operating system, development language, etc.
You know what's fun? Offerening JWs to come into your house, and then try to convert them away from Christianity :D.
Anyhow, like people before me have said, the New Testiment was written hundreds of years after the life of Jesus. As a result it's not hard at all to believe that the people, places, and events depicted in it have actual factual basis. However this does nothing to prove the existance of god, as there have been countless religions live and die before Christianity. You're not the first, you're not the last, and you're not even the largest at the moment.
As for "what is there to lose?", well there are many things you have to give up while submitting to a religion. Assuming you're a devout follower, which is rare in this modern world, you give up many of your freedoms as well as your right to think for yourself. Not only that, but you must conform to the group's morals and ethics even if they are not your own. I for one, will not blindly follow the pack.
I personaLLY dont believe I dont believe a world of hope and make believe worlds especially Islam is for me. I want to be in control of my life, not anybody else. You can obivously believe if you want, but what i dont understand are 2 things. Christaisn dont like Jews, jesus is the king of Jews. He is suposed to be mr miracle, where are all his miracles like parting of the waters?
RAb <_<
depends which camp you come from. some christians like Jewish people, other christians dont. The ones who dont are normaly involved in some very codified formalised form of christianity and refer to the jewish people as jesus killers.
This is realy stupid as Jesus was a jew as well, its not as though he was from the projects and some white cop killed him.
Also jewish people don't beleive that jesus was the son of god and/or the Mesiah, they don't beleive he performed the miracles claimed in the new testement. generaly they beleive he may have been a good bloke and sorta leave it at that. That sorta rankles with some christains. But then christains get upset at anyone who tries to say that the bible should be taken with a large grain of salt, that it may contain some historical facts, bu overall its just a good yarn.
Most religious people get upset when you start discrediting their basis of their religion.
But then there is an awful lot of support for the jewish people with fundamental christians, as they see the jewish people as sorta their relatives and all to do with revelations where the temple is rebuilt and so forth.
