lol...good one..sorry but I don't go around sniffin butts..
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lol...good one..sorry but I don't go around sniffin butts..
Good stuff so far. Nice to see some flaming now and again :P
I may not be ideally situated to offer a firm opinion on the matter but I am kind of in the middle, as far as christianity is concerned.
I personally do believe in God and always have done, although not followed the christian faith until recently.
I'd like to try and address a few things:
People saying they can interpret the bible in there own way seem to be slightly misinformed. Yes, u can interpret the bible to a certain extent, but that doesnt stop it being true. eg the bible says to believe in Christ and you will be saved.
You can only interpret that ONE way.
"Faith is merely a coping tool. Having Faith that something better than you, more powerful, has your best interests at heart. Is guiding you, or going to better you. Faith is just for coping. Without fear, there would be no faith." - that doesnt explain why we are here and how we are here.
"we are just here to exist". That to me sounds amazingly empty. Everything has a purpose, even a tree for example. everything creation points to a creator. i really dont see how u can deny that. *insert evolution related response here.
Pain and suffering - I have not been completely educated in this area, but my fellow peers seem to believe that pain and suffering is in existance due to the fall of man/world (see genesis). When Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed the ground that we walk on. I also believe the majority of natural disasters can be controlled nowadays, its just that the fall of man has meant there are areas on the earth that lack funding to equip themselves properly against such disasters. This is down to selfishness.
Have fun with those.
Real quick, explain how natural disasters can be controlled? Whens the last time anyone stopped an earthquake/tornado/tsunami? Maybe you can do your best to protect yourself, but there is no such thing as a controlled natural disaster.
Im not really in the mood to argue stuff, but the bottom line is this, if you believe you believe and nothing is going to change your mind, if I dont believe, Im not going to believe until god himself tells me to.
Real quick, explain how natural disasters can be controlled?
Then why are you posting??Quote:
Im not really in the mood to argue stuff
This is a debate is it not?? Just words on a page my friend, and I would like to see what people have to say in response to my opinions.
sure,Quote:
Real quick, explain how natural disasters can be controlled?
Taken from the USGS site,
'Future strong temblors in Northern California are inevitable, but the damage they cause can be reduced significantly with adequate preparation. Studies of earthquake shaking, active faults, and the response of structures to shaking have already led to improved building codes and a better understanding of how to reduce the threat posed by earthquakes.'
'By studying quakes like the Great 1906 San Francisco Earthquake, scientists and engineers gain the knowledge and understanding necessary to assess the risk from future shocks and to reduce the vulnerability of buildings and other structures to damage in these inevitable and terrifying events. In this way they help to protect the lives and property of citizens of the United States.'
That is clearly controlling a natural disaster. Where exactly in my post does it say that 'someone can stop them' as you so incorrectly point out.
Save the hero speech mate. Yes it may be a never ending argument, but its an interesting one.Quote:
but the bottom line is this, if you believe you believe and nothing is going to change your mind, if I dont believe, Im not going to believe until god himself tells me to.
nice goin Konnor
"Faith is merely a coping tool. Having Faith that something better than you, more powerful, has your best interests at heart. Is guiding you, or going to better you. Faith is just for coping. Without fear, there would be no faith." - that doesnt explain why we are here and how we are here.
---neither does faith. you misunderstand his definition of faith. Faith being the need for someone to confide and believe in something bigger than ones self which is controlling ones destiny. THAT is the crutch/coping tool that he speaks of. Its far too easy for somone who refuses to accept reality to say "well GOD wants it to be this way" instead of saying "well I fucked up".
"we are just here to exist". That to me sounds amazingly empty. Everything has a purpose, even a tree for example. everything creation points to a creator. i really dont see how u can deny that. *insert evolution related response here.
--- I dont believe we are here to exist, I believe the purpose of the human race is painfully clear. We are here to destroy, so that the world can replenish itself and life may begin anew. (see ZKM's thoughts on this in the "how will the world end" thread)
As far as this natural disaster debate... perparation and control are two very different things. God has nothing to do with fact that we've adapted to the inevitable. We cannot control a natural disaster (YET) but we can protect ourselves. I do enjoy your use of research though, thats better than simply posting an opinion. So I do appreciate that.
Ok, natural disasters aside for a moment. You're a believer, true? I assume you've read through the post so you've had a chance to think over some of the questions people have brought up, so Im curious to hear your responses.
For example, God loves all his children, that being said why are so many people born with physical and mental disabilities? Would you not think that god would want all people to be equal?
2nd question, God created us in his image, so how does one explain the millions of years of existance before the first humans were recorded, and what of the dinosaurs? Were they simply place holders until God could get a version of humans that was ideal? Sort of like Human v5.0?
Ok, thats all I got for the moment cause its dinner time, I look forward to your responses. And in the future, lets try to keep the debate as a debate, Im not picking on you or your beliefs, so lets not make it personal.
Cheers.
btw, im a big fan of that tech sig you have there.
Ok..would you rather live in a world..where every thing was perfect? Where you didn't have to work..that money would grow on trees?..that we could fly? That no sicknesses could ever overcome any living organism in the universe..If we lived in a world like that..then it would get boring..and we would be to lazy to figure out anything...then disaster could strike the whole earth..say like in the movie "The World Of Tomorrow" for example..We would die and the whole human race would be wiped out because all of us have been living in a little container of happiness and perfection..Thats why we have all the people with mental problems and all the sicknesses..if not we would all die out leaving nothing for God to be loved by..
well... if everything were perfect there would be no disaster. You started off saying that everything was perfect... so where did this disaster come from? In my scenario, God loves all things and technically controls all things so there would be no disease you're right, but there would also be no disasters, since God loves us and takes care of us.
Please try to remain objective if we're going to have a debate.
2 things:
1, that post was directed towards konnor.
2, I never said thats what I wanted, it was a hypothetical question and you still didnt even answer it.
i just wanna make something clear we r not the children of the almighty god .. we r worshippers and there is a big difference ... if god has children than he wont be perfect
as our Quran Says:
"He is God, the One and Only, God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."
God Created us so we can acknowledge his existence, as in the Quran Said:
"God the Almighty revealed: Remember when your Lord said to the angels: 'Verily, I am going to place mankind generations after generations on earth.' They said: 'Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, while we glorify You with praises and thanks (exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You.' God said: 'I know that which you do not know.'"
2nd thing .. we cant be perfect and we cant have perfect lifes there is only one perfect and that is god, and if we have a perfect life, like everybody says nobody would pray to god becuase nowadays most ppl pray to god only when they r in trouble and when there trouble is over they forget bout god and what he gave them we have to thank god always on the food he gave us the health, and so on.. so why not pray to god everytime...this world is a test for us .. to worship the almighty god, and pray to him when we r in trouble or when were living a god life ... and thats what he wants from us and to believe in him ... these disasters and diseases and so on.. r all tests for humens beens .. so they can pray to god and not forget bout him .. that he is above us watching every move u do .. u cant blame anything on the almighty god he knows that u dont know !
