Important.....

Please vote sensibly on this, and no kidding around. You cannot say that you are none, or say that you are a bit of both, you MUST say you are one!

For those of you who don't know what they are, i'll give you the lowdown.

Communist: Belief that everyone is equal and is the same. A person should not be better off than someone else, they should be at the same level. People should get paid the same no matter what they do. ie Soviet Union

Facist: People should never be classed as the same, They should be separated, some above some below. People who are well off can look down their noses and laugh at people who are poor and cannot make a decent living, and ridicule them. ie Nazis

Please vote.

My vote is for Communism, as equality should be achieved through whatever means neccessary.

P.S. - The parties in the poll are not real, they have been made up for a debate me and my friends are having, but it's more serious then you think at first.

sorry but none

Lol. both soviet union and nazis are down, cus they were too extreme

And those 2 things are both way too extreme. Whatever you say, im gonna say im in the between.

Im not facist, or a communist.

thats like asking:
are you paralyzed from your legs or are you a professional überhax0r 1337z0r runner? :huh:

stupid question.

WTF? And you both defeated the purpose of this poll. Can you not just say one, it doesnt matter if its not true, it's not gonna change anything is it?

well you did tell us to be serious about it.

I am a bit of both of them.

I am not extremely communist and not extremely fascist. I am more communist then fascist. But that is me.

Communist, all people are equal, except for the leader and his "friends" which are really rich. A prime example would be Fidel Castro. Plus Facism didn't work in Germany.

we are reading animal farm in english, and its really interesting how the dude portrays the animals as charecters in the history of the soviet union with karl marx, stalin, trotsky etc


anyway, communism

Neither. Both views are wayy too extreme, adn both are rediculously stupid. Everybody is saying communism cuz the other one seems mean, and it's scar your e-rep. Phh screw that. Communism is gay, people work 5x as hard as other people who just sit on their lazy asses and they all get paid the same. If you are talented and strive to achieve something large, the government takes it from you and gives it to lazy bitches who sit on their asses and do nothing!!! And no i am not facist either, and i dunno if that's what hte nazi's were. Facism is again more extreme, like if somebody is bad then keep them in the mud. I am american bitches!!

I'm more of a facist.
Society wouldn't work if everyone would be equal. If you think logicly, there has to be people who are above others.

reminds me of donnie darko .. you can't place these kiinds of things into just two categories, it's retarded... it wouldn't be any of those for me, i know i should probably not say but that's my vote

Communism doesnt work. Simple as that. I believe more in Facism, if anything. There should be seperate class 'levels', if everyone's equal then everyone is poor. And you know theres going to be some shiesty politicians that arnt equal.

Communism on paper makes all the sense in the world. Put it in action - it doesnt work.

Communism..

Not that the ideal Communism that Marx wrote about has never been achieved.

Yes but all these views are totally right, neither work in reality, but both lead to a dictatorship. But i believe that communism is better because the means for it are better, that all people are equal

your description of facism was pretty biased.

Communism works in small doses. Only small colonies and over a 2 generation time span. After that greed starts taking over and people want more than they are given.

The idea of communism translates, basically, to this. Your job is to...say... go chop down lumber. You have to chop down 10 trees per day, and you get no money for it. But when you get home everything you need will be there, someone else will have grown and harvested your fruits and vegetables, someone will have built you a computer, someone else will have made your very house. All of them without pay, because they counted on you to provide them with paper, firewood, lumber, and etc.

People complain that communism will only make people work hard enough to do the minimum. Well if the system is setup correctly, the minimum is the perfect amount. Communism requires alot of control, regulation, and monotoring by the government however.

In practice the government is always corrupted so it doesn't work out and everyone is poor and needy instead of well taken care of.

I think, eventually...hopefully, the world will adopt communism as a natuaral evolutionary progression.

Hoover,
Communism has nothing to do with Dictatorships. Those are two completely different sections of government. You can have a democratic communist government, or you can have a communist dictatorship. Generally, dictatorships go towards communism or facism because it allows them absolute control over the people of that country.

rofl yea the view on Fascism is pretty biased.

Fascism is in a nutshell, the welfare of the state over the people. The states existence is the sole obligation and priority of the people. People's business is the state's business.

These two ideologies should only be compared in theory. Because of the extremity of them on opposite sides of the spectrum. There is no evidence of both of them pure in practice.

Well, i see what you mean there, but i only make it biased because i lean towards communism because its easier to do, than to balance both out. And Communism and facism would have to be under a dictatorship, as if a government wanted communism or facism to actually stick, than they would have to force it upon the nation, as there would obviously be some rebels or revolts in different parts somewhere or other, so there is NO other choice BUT a dictatorship.

But to my point, if you do prefer communism, why not join my new forums on my site, i will upload the URL later, when the site and forums are finalised :D

Wow, wasnt this a big ol' grand display of advertisement?



Neither. I'd say the idea of communism is actually the best, but it will never work.

No type of government works ideally once you take human error into account, but I have much more facist beliefs than anything. I personally will never be completely loyal to anyone buy a king or other dictator.

Fashist and a Nazi at heart........Hence the name Father.Vinyard from the movie American History X. A great movie i suggest it to anyone.

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Neither. I'd say the idea of communism is actually the best, but it will never work.

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Originally posted by Illegalx17@2 Weeks Ago
Neither.* Both views are wayy too extreme, adn both are rediculously stupid.* Everybody is saying communism cuz the other one seems mean, and it's scar your e-rep.* Phh screw that.* Communism is gay, people work 5x as hard as other people who just sit on their lazy asses and they all get paid the same.* If you are talented and strive to achieve something large, the government takes it from you and gives it to lazy bitches who sit on their asses and do nothing!!!* And no i am not facist either, and i dunno if that's what hte nazi's were.* Facism is again more extreme, like if somebody is bad then keep them in the mud.* I am american bitches!!

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ditto :P

This is bullshit. Nobody should have to choose between communism and fascism, becuase both care for the system, not the individual affected.

I believe all people should be treated with respect and kindness, and not have to suffer because rich people think their better. I believe also that people should have to work for what they have, and not have the government hand it to them.


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Fashist and a Nazi at heart........Hence the name Father.Vinyard from the movie American History X. A great movie i suggest it to anyone.

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That's creepy. Ar you a neo-Nazi or something?

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This is bullshit.* Nobody should have to choose between communism and fascism, becuase both care for the system, not the individual affected.

I believe all people should be treated with respect and kindness, and not have to suffer because rich people think their better.* I believe also that people should have to work for what they have, and not have the government hand it to them.
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That's creepy.* Ar you a neo-Nazi or something?

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See, I believe the entire opposite... a state's responsibility is not to care for the individual, but rather the individual's responsibility is to care for the state.

Ooooh, very nicely put, adn thats basically what i think anyway, more or less