Bush On Vaction.
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this was not done by me, it was given to me by my mom through the internet. I am not able to state who it is started this/made this image.
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Bush On Vaction.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50...3/BushVaca.jpg
this was not done by me, it was given to me by my mom through the internet. I am not able to state who it is started this/made this image.
I dont think its funny. not in this case.
It's not funny, it's sad that so many people died, i seriously think Bush could of done a much much better job helping the people of New Orleans.
If it was New York or Miami, things would of been a lot different.
That is just my opinion, so don't flame me.
most ignorant statement of year goes to...Quote:
Originally posted by Sobek.reh@Sep 16 2005, 02:25 AM
It's not funny, it's sad that so many people died, i seriously think Bush could of done a much much better job helping the people of New Orleans.
If it was New York or Miami, things would of been a lot different.
That is just my opinion, so don't flame me.
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you said don't flame you so i'll just leave it at that :rolleyes:
as for the picture.. bleh
I too thought it was horrible, but it is the truth. You can't really deny there that was a SIGNIFICANT fderal failure in the disaster effort, for christ's sake, before he went there on foot, he flew over in Air Force One, where is the leadership, at 20,000 feet? Kanye West: "George Bush does not care about black people." The facts are there, and I'll let you decide, but take a look at how he handled this situation.
It is funny, but not politically correct.
What was he supposed to do? It was the first disaster of this kind and it has never happened before. He is the only president I know that has gone through a terrorist attack, then the biggest national disaster ever. Give him some slack, and that speech he gave was the best hes ever made. People just go and start pointing fingers towards Bush, and blame everything on him, which in some ways the fed gov. could have done a little bit more, but not much. He already has a plan for 60 Billion dollars to help rebuild New Orleans. I think thats enough. Also its not his fault that the people in New Orleans didn't get out, thats the local and state government's fault.
Ok enough with the flamming. That picture is horrible.
wow guys, i figured that from a design site ya'll would know it was photoshopped by some bush hater.
If you study the lighting closely you can tell.
Why would bush be wearing sun glasses on a rainy day?
why isn't there a shadow on the rest of their chest part of the jackets, when the sun is coming in from behind them (you can tell by the reflection of light in the water?
Also, in bushes sunglasses you see what is the rest of the boat, and then you see lots of water and some trees, almost as if he's at a lake.
Yes! Someone else agrees with me!Quote:
What was he supposed to do? It was the first disaster of this kind and it has never happened before. He is the only president I know that has gone through a terrorist attack, then the biggest national disaster ever. Give him some slack, and that speech he gave was the best hes ever made. People just go and start pointing fingers towards Bush, and blame everything on him, which in some ways the fed gov. could have done a little bit more, but not much. He already has a plan for 60 Billion dollars to help rebuild New Orleans. I think thats enough. Also its not his fault that the people in New Orleans didn't get out, thats the local and state government's fault.
Ok enough with the flamming. That picture is horrible.
There was a study done and was shown on tv that because Bush has proven to be an excellent president, people are getting jealous and mad. Also, people saw the terrorist attacks, the war, and the hurricane, and they get all depressed from that, and then Bush steps in and makes things a LOT better, but since the magnitude of the damage was so bad, people don't open their eyes and realize what Bush has done for us. Most of the people in Iraq support bush, and so do their families because Bush has made the right decision, even if they are risking their lives and could get killed because of his decision, they still support him.
Like Mystikal said...
-Could you have gotten us through these tragic events?
-Are you capable of even doing a decent job for the US?
I really doubt it, there are only a few people like G.Bush.
Think about it.
~octane
Okay I wasn't going to post in this thread but the ignorance here is just killing me.
That statement is 100%BULLSHIT!Quote:
Originally posted by MystiKal+Sep 17 2005, 09:34 AM-->You should go do some research because then you would know that there have been a few large scale floods in America that have caused similar damage. So this wasn't the first disaster of it's kind and it has happened numerous times before.Quote:
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How has he made things better, and what exactly has he done for us?Quote:
Originally posted by MystiKal+Sep 17 2005, 09:34 AM-->I guess you forgot about the first time they tried to blow up the World Trade Center with a car bomb in 1993, or the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. So he's not the only president to go through a terrorist attack on American soil.Quote:
He is the only president I know that has gone through a terrorist attack
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He is however the first one to continue reading a childrens book to 3rd graders after his staff told him we are under attack <_< .
That statement is 100% BULLSHIT! I'd love to see you back it up with a link to that study.Quote:
Originally posted by octane
There was a study done and was shown on tv that because Bush has proven to be an excellent president, people are getting jealous and mad.
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Also, people saw the terrorist attacks, the war, and the hurricane, and they get all depressed from that, and then Bush steps in and makes things a LOT better, but since the magnitude of the damage was so bad, people don't open their eyes and realize what Bush has done for us.
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Most of the people in Iraq support bush, and so do their families because Bush has made the right decision, even if they are risking their lives and could get killed because of his decision, they still support him.
When ever families get together to protest Bush and start to get some publicity he ignores them and doesn't even acknowledg them. Then he sets up a little meeting with a few familes that say they do support him so he looks like a good guy.
Dude, do you have anything to back up these statements that you're making because they're all rediculous man.
How has Bush improved anything?
- The economy is dead.
- Gas prices are at an all time high.
- FEMA Head Mike Brown? A joke perhaps....We saw what he could do
- Our troops are in Iraq fighting to what is now a pointless war.
I mean the list could go on all day.
Our nation security is better? Really, after any terrorists attack national security would better itself naturally.
The US is in a bigger mess then it was in 5 years ago and theres good reasoning for it....
Thank you madball.
OK, let's get a couple of facts straight.
What's the military death toll in Iraq?
1,898 as of September 16th. Source
What's the CIVILIAN death toll in Iraq?
Minimum: 24712
MAximum: 27963
Source
Definition of civilian according to Dictionary.com
A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military or police.
O yes, the mothers of sons and daughters valiantly defending our country are extremely happy, perhaps you've heard of Cindy Sheehan. She has been camping out in front of Bush's Crawford ranch to hear exactally WHY her son died in Iraq. She has been there since the beginning of August, asking to speak to the president, and get a legitimate reason for her son's death. He still hasn't talked to her directly, almost 2 months later, wow, he really has done a lot for us, especially for her.
Source, as well as the New York Times and the San Francisco Chronicle.
Onto FEMA and the government in this disaster.
Yum. Bush tells Brownie he's doing great, then sends him back to Washington, he doesn't fire him, just sends him back to Washington, which is like firing, but I digress. He failed at his job, that's why he was removed.Quote:
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Brownie, you're doing a helluva job.[/b]
Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown is being removed from his role managing Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, NBC News and The Associated Press reported Friday.
Two federal officials who wouldn't be identified told the AP that Brown is being sent back to Washington from Baton Rouge, La. He was the primary official overseeing the federal government's response to the disaster. NBC learned the same thing from a relief official.
Mystikal, yes, President Bush did give a well done speech Thursday, very well written...O WAIT! He doesn't write his speeches, sorry, my mistake. It may have been a well done speech, but it was over a week after the disaster itself. If you remember, he practically walked onto ground zero and hugged a fireman, but now he can't get down and dirty and hear some real stories of how people don't have water, food, shelter, anything?
Octane, your comment is bullshit.
Not only is the 2nd question gramatically incorrect, it is just bullshit. He is PAID to do a "decent job for the US," and he is also responsible for "getting us through these tragic effents," I'm not. And last time I checked, he isn't the one that runs the US, that would make this a dictatorship, not a democracy.Quote:
Could you have gotten us through these tragic events?
Are you capable of even doing a decent job for the US?
Back to Kanye West's statement that George Bush does not care about black people.
Percent white in New York city:67.9% US census
Percent black in New Orleans:67.3% US census
Don't you love facts? I think that that does some major explaining right there, almost equivalent percentages, and lets look at the reaction of our president.
New York:
Goes on the ground of the terrorist attack, does his own work, inspects the scene.
New Orleans:
Flys above it at 20,000 feet, inspecting the damage from the safety and comfort of Air Force One.
No shit it was photoshopped, like he would be on the ground at New Orleans, it was fake, and doesn't look realistic. Get a job man, no one took it seriously that Bush would go fishing there. It's also a freshwater fish.Quote:
Originally posted by Octane
Wow guys, i figured that from a design site ya'll would know it was photoshopped by some bush hater.
If you study the lighting closely you can tell.
Why would bush be wearing sun glasses on a rainy day?
why isn't there a shadow on the rest of their chest part of the jackets, when the sun is coming in from behind them (you can tell by the reflection of light in the water?
Also, in bushes sunglasses you see what is the rest of the boat, and then you see lots of water and some trees, almost as if he's at a lake.
O ya, and not to mention that the fish couldn't live in the waters filled with decaying corpses, human feces, and who knows what else. Of course that's hard to say, knowing how much our president has done for the environment, they've probably gotten used to it.
Next time, state your sources, it makes you a lot more credible.
Applaud that man http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/8614/clapping9kq.gif.
XD Seriously you shouldn't post unless you got a good argument to back yourself up.
Nice job silenced. I want to hug you.
:wub: Zeek and Madball, 2 not so brainless people here :P
*Hugs Zeek in the most manly way possible*
Took me a while, but I'm proud of it too, it's always nice to have some REAL facts. Saw a great article in the Chronicle about how Bush is doing a great job as president for HIS people....where HIS people are the rich, white, and corporate. Can someone who doesn't support my argument please counter this? I'd really like to see some facts supporting him.
Ok to all of the people that oppose Bush, I'd like to see you do a better job. That kind of disaster was a first, and we as a country did not know how to handle it. It was our first time through something of that magnitude, and we will make mistakes, and we will learn from them.
And about his speech, I know he didn't write it, but it was in how he said it, and he sounded like he meant every word.
This is going to just be a flame thread =(
Actually this is far from a flame thread. It's more of a debate thread. Nobody said "Har har Bush sucks the big one" or anything.
Silenced posed a good position with good evidence to support himself. I'll let him speak for us "Bush Haters", since he'd probably do it best.
Hehe, "he sounded like he meant every word." The beauty of that phrase is amazing, "he sounded." So circumstancial, use that in a courtroom:Quote:
Originally posted by MystiKal+Sep 17 2005, 09:12 PM-->I'm not the one that ran for president, nor do I want to, so asking me if I could do a better job is just childish. For example, a kid makes a house of sticks, someone gives him a little critique, that his house looks like a trailer, the kid says that the other kid couldn't do any better. It's just stupid, I never said that I could do a better job, but there are definately people that could.Quote:
Ok to all of your Bush haters, I'd like to see you do a better job. That kind of disaster was a first, and we as a country did not know how to handle it. It was our first time through something of that magnitude, and we will make mistakes, and we will learn from them.
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That magnitude....
1906 Earthquake-3000-7000 deaths.(actual number unknown)
Cost, 6,779,661,016 to 8,881,355,932 (#'s adjusted for inflation according to: these figures) in San Francisco alone, seeing as the earthquake itself wasn't centered in San Francisco. So I think it's safe to say that it's very near that magnitude seeing as America wasn't as well off as it is today.
Source for info about SF 1906 earthquake.
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And about his speech, I know he didn't write it, but it was in how he said it, and he sounded like he meant every word.
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"The serial killer sounded like me meant every word when he said sorry."
Well in that case, let's let him run free! That's bullshit, people can make it sound like they mean it, but do they really? You can't say that just because it sounds legitimate. People say a lot of things sincerely but don't mean them, several more examples:
Women saying they are attracted to men when really they are trying to get something out of the relationship.
Men saying "I love you" to get more action.
the list is endless mystikal.
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Originally posted by MystiKal+Sep 17 2005, 09:12 PM-->Why does it have to be, can't we just have a debate about this? I'm enjoying it. :DQuote:
This is going to just be a flame thread =(
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Silenced posed a good position with good evidence to support himself.* I'll let him speak for us "Bush Haters", since he'd probably do it best.
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Just read this, zeek, I'm touched. Thanks. Lol I should join debate club. ;)
Bah. I just feel the love.
Whats funny about this is, that Silenced and I are talking on MSN and acting funny about this. I'm out of shit and im too lazy to look up stuff, so yeah you guys go at it. I got pwned.
It's not up to me to do a better job, i'm not the President. Although I don't think I could do anyworse then him.Quote:
Originally posted by MystiKal@Sep 18 2005, 12:12 AM
Ok to all of the people that oppose Bush, I'd like to see you do a better job. That kind of disaster was a first, and we as a country did not know how to handle it. It was our first time through something of that magnitude, and we will make mistakes, and we will learn from them.
And about his speech, I know he didn't write it, but it was in how he said it, and he sounded like he meant every word.
This is going to just be a flame thread =(
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Also how many times do I have to say that it wasn't the first time a disaster like that happened. You should do a little research, and you'll see just how many catastrophic floods america has had.
I love you mystikal.Quote:
Originally posted by MystiKal@Sep 17 2005, 09:46 PM
Bah. I just feel the love.
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Anyone else want some? lol, no I'm just kidding, but seriously, someone please come in here with a decent Bush argument who isn't too lazy to do a little background research, until then, I'll do some more research.
EDIT:deleted my immature comment. No need to rub it in, it's all there.
Theres nothing wrong with a little friendly debating. Just think how boring life would be if everybody always agreed with you :D .
I don't have any hard-hitting facts for or against Bush. I just wanted to say something on Octane's reply:
That, I think, is rather impossible - comparing Bush to one of us. How could you compare (for example: me) a 14 year old guy to a US president? That's kinda ridiculous imo.. :rolleyes:Quote:
Are you capable of even doing a decent job for the US?
I think Bush could've done a better job on protecting the people in New Orleans..Anyway, enough bullshit from me. :lol:
PS: Anyway Silenced should win the debating award. He is really good o.o, and he proves to us by giving us statistics and facts =P
Unlike a few months ago, I now strongly oppose Bush and the war now.
Although, I think he could have treated Katrina better, although people are just looking for someone to blame. And the people to blame is the mayor of New Orleans for not making sure people were evacuated and making sure the levees weren't fixed.
Take the picture off plz, thats just messed up
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Originally posted by Dramacydal@Sep 17 2005, 11:24 PM
Unlike a few months ago,* I now strongly oppose Bush and the war now.
Although, I think he could have treated Katrina better, although people are just looking for someone to blame.* And the people to blame is the mayor of New Orleans for not making sure people were evacuated and making sure the levees weren't fixed.
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Yea, if I was living in New Orleans, I would expect that my mayor have a better plan for us if there was a flood or hurricane of some kind (since New Orleans is 6 ft below sea level).
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Originally posted by octane@Sep 18 2005, 12:21 PM
Yea, if I was living in New Orleans, I would expect that my mayor have a better plan for us if there was a flood or hurricane of some kind (since New Orleans is 6 ft below sea level).
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Where's your witty, cute little response to what happened above? Where is your source for the HIGH approval ratings or our President? I've responded to yours, where's yours to mine? Go home.
Perhaps you've heard of Hurricane Pam, no probably not, but I'll explain. Hurricane Pam was a computer generated hurricane that stormed the Gulf Coast in the same manner that Katrina did, this Hurricane was produced by the governers and mayor's of Lousiana, Mississippi and Alabama. It produced much more extreme results, no power, no communication, complete anarchy, tens of thousands dead, flooding, everything. They were prepared, but the support system goes up to the top. It all needs to be verified first., the federal response was too slow, they were all ready, but them getting the supplies and buses for transportation took too long. They had a plan, it was just ignored by those with more power.
And some people chose to ignore the evacuation and ride out the storm, they ignored the warnings, then after the levee's broke, the procedure just too damn long because it has to go all the way up. Do some research man, it's not that hard. Although, yes, it is true, New Orleans is 6 feet below sea level, yet for some reason, the mayor was not notified of the crack in the levee...that was ignored.
Let's try to keep this friendly please.
Silenced takes no prisoners alive!
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NVM
Screw it, I'm not even gonna post that, it would start another bash-fest and get everyone mad at this...
Actually very mature of you. I don't support the fact that you feel scared stating your opinions, but that in part is probably due to my attitude towards this at the moment. Whatever, I can respect your decision, even if I don't agree with it.Quote:
Originally posted by octane@Sep 18 2005, 06:29 PM
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NVM
Screw it, I'm not even gonna post that, it would start another bash-fest and get everyone mad at this...
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only thing i picked out of there that pissed me off was the statement about him continuing to read to the children after he heard about the terrorist attack.
would it have been better to get up in the middle of the reading and frighten the whole class or to take the 5 minutes to make sure to not alert them? did those 5 minutes break us? no.. the terrorist attack had already happened, it wasn't like he was told they were on the way and he had 4.99997 minutes to react before 5000 lives were lost
however, don't confuse my statement, i'm not trying to say we didn't know it was coming.. that was just stupid intelligence, not really bush's fault
Well he wouldn't have had to say "kids the country is attack and I have to go." He could have just said "something important has come up and I won't be able to finish the story children, but i'll try to come back at a later time." I hardly think that would throw the children into a panic and damage them for life.
Also what if there were more planes in on this. Those 5 minutes could have meant saving thousands of lives.
I agree, because he wasn't reading to a group of older children, he was reading to kids in like 1st grade or something, so they wouldn't pick up on what is really happening when they go home, as kids at that age wouldn't watch or understand the news.Quote:
Originally posted by madball@Sep 20 2005, 06:20 PM
Well he wouldn't have had to say "kids the country is attack and I have to go." He could have just said "something important has come up and I won't be able to finish the story children, but i'll try to come back at a later time." I hardly think that would throw the children into a panic and damage them for life.
Also what if there were more planes in on this. Those 5 minutes could have meant saving thousands of lives.
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It's better to just say a small lie if it meant saving people's lives, then to not lying and lose hundreds of lives.
ur sick, even though u didnt make it, your contributing by passing it on! though its kinda funny in a way! hehe
