What do you think..Did the government organize this whole thing JUST to go to war with Iraq?
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What do you think..Did the government organize this whole thing JUST to go to war with Iraq?
Where are you from, Siberia? Do you watch the news?
Just go crawl back into your hole.
Actually I'm from Philadelphia Pennslyvia Mole Street in the Southern part. "The Hood" some call it. But if you want to get more technical I'm from my mother's vagina. Now I need you to do is explain to me what "Do you watch the news" and "Crawl back into your hole" means. I definatly watched the news that day in 2001...and I was....9 then. Now erm..show some intellegence and approach the question with some consideration.
Its called terrorism. Its random, get used to it. And no, we did not attack our OWN people just to go to war with Iraq.
We went to war with Iraq because they were helping terrorists and Sadaam was a tyranical leader that killed his OWN people and was on the brink of having WMD's. He needed to be de-throned.
I'd really like to hear why you think the government did this.
Well I have an idea...but this is based off loose information. There is definate evidence that the towers were taking down not by the planes but by people. Maybe these were more terrorists but if someone flew a plane into a building wouldn't it be kinda strange for a group of people to run into a build....plant a few tons of bombs and run out shortly later? I know I'd be kinda weirded out.
Based off my loose information it points to our very own Americans taking down the towers. (Oh and by the design of the building and newton's three laws its IMPOSSIBLE for those buildings to fall from the collision of two fukin planes, mayne)
Loose information, not facts. Its just like me coming up to you and saying that the world is going to end tommarow because of aliens that will land on the earth. Nothing credible.Quote:
Well I have an idea...but this is based off loose information. There is definate evidence that the towers were taking down not by the planes but by people. Maybe these were more terrorists but if someone flew a plane into a building wouldn't it be kinda strange for a group of people to run into a build....plant a few tons of bombs and run out shortly later? I know I'd be kinda weirded out.
Based off my loose information it points to our very own Americans taking down the towers. (Oh and by the design of the building and newton's three laws its IMPOSSIBLE for those buildings to fall from the collision of two fukin planes, mayne)
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I would like to see the math and the physics work behind the newton's law statement. Once again its not fact, its just a belief which means nothing.
Loose Information about WHY it was done. Not how....how it was done...is simple. 1-2 tons of TNT placed on the top...the middle...and bottem to give the visual effect of it falling when the top should of just fell into the street. I just took this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQucQvXVh...h=david%2Bicke
And applied it to what I already know.
That guy's voice is creepy, but I guess that does back up sorta what you have said on your believe on how they fell. I still believe that the impact of the planes + fire caused the collapse. But w/e, back to WHY.
The group responsible for the attack was located in Afganistan, thus the us went there. The reason we went to Iraq is because US intellegence suggested that Iraq was hiding WMD's and violating UN protocols. Thus, we went in.
Mhm Mhm....fair enough. But what if this was also staged? Alien yes...very alien but it is still possible...very possible.
Actually, for the time the towers were built (and even today), it was EXTREMELY well designed. These towers were made so that it could withstand tons of stress on its side and not topple over, but instead, once too much pressure was applied, crash down vertically.
The tallest building in Dallas, TX sways side-to-side about 3 1/2 feet. The World Trade Centers hardly swayed at all.
Why would we, the United States of America, destroy two of the most important buildings in the world?
How is this staged? Just ask the millions of people in New York and see if they think this was staged... after experiencing it first hand...
Whenever something major happens, someone has to accuse it on the government, and some low-life has to find a bunch of information that went on in the government that day and the week before. Heck, people even accused the government for having something to do with Hurricane Katrina, and sending it into Louisiana. Soon, they are gonna blame that the government made Chaney shoot that guy in Texas (could it be the gun Chaney used, or the bullets?).
Just tell me, why would we inflict damage amongst ourselves just to go to war? Why would we inflict damage amongst the world, by destroying two of the most important buildings in the world?
In my completely honest opinion, if you think the government destroyed the World Trade Centers, then you are stupid, and you need to get better education. OH BUT WAIT! The government has something to do with that too! OH NO!
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Well I have an idea...but this is based off loose information. There is definate evidence that the towers were taking down not by the planes but by people. Maybe these were more terrorists but if someone flew a plane into a building wouldn't it be kinda strange for a group of people to run into a build....plant a few tons of bombs and run out shortly later? I know I'd be kinda weirded out.
Based off my loose information it points to our very own Americans taking down the towers. (Oh and by the design of the building and newton's three laws its IMPOSSIBLE for those buildings to fall from the collision of two fukin planes, mayne)
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i haven't read most the other stuff in this thread but i'd like to point out this part:
you obviously do not know what you are talking about. if you had any education in the field of science, you would realize that the explosions from the planes released such an enormous amount of heat that they caused the beams in the buildings to weaken, and eventually the towers crumbled. so that bullshit propoganda can be thrown out.Quote:
(Oh and by the design of the building and newton's three laws its IMPOSSIBLE for those buildings to fall from the collision of two fukin planes, mayne)[/b]
no 9/11 was not staged. it is horrible to even think about that. it was a terrorist attack on our own soil, it killed thousands of people.. it could have possibly been prevented, but so could many of the calamities that have shaped this world.. unfortunately, we do not usually discover this until after the fact, and we learn from our mistakes. as for the war in iraq, it is because saddam was a threat to his own people and to the world with his WMD's, and we chose to take action to remove him from power. once we were in, we decided to be the compassionate country that we are and assist the iraqi's in organizing and stabilizing their own government. so now if we take this generous country that is the united states, as i have shown, and compare it to your view of the united states, we see a sharp contrast. i believe that our motives for the war were justified, and they were the smartest plan of action at the time. it was also a way of showing that we have no fear of terrorists; that if the terrorists want a war, they have one; they do not just get away with heinous crimes. however, you come in with the other side of the specrtum, identifying our own government as the terrorists.. that they betrayed thousands of citizens to enter a war. unfortunately, this is becoming such a widely accepted bucket of horse shit propoganda that people are becoming numb to it existing, which is scary.
how far will our country fall if its citizens begin to think up and accept the notions that the government has the motives and is capable for commiting crimes against its own people?
As long as there are controversial issues, there will be conspiracy theorists. I think it's bullshit to be honest. A bunch of terrorist attacked the US, you're not as protected as you thought. People died, it sucks, but shit like that happens, unfortunately.
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As long as there are controversial issues, there will be conspiracy theorists. I think it's bullshit to be honest. A bunch of terrorist attacked the US, you're not as protected as you thought. People died, it sucks, but shit like that happens, unfortunately.
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high grade, fast burning kerosene goes ka-BooM. they didnt even really need bombs on the planes, much less the buildings.
from my physics the newtons laws don't take into consideration the other external forces that could act on the building and produce a greater force. Basically what sui generis said lol, but i thot i wud giv my 2 cents lol.
you are ****ing dumb for thinking the gov't did this. wow.
thats it. read myst's posts above for why. my opinion is the same.
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you are ****ing dumb for thinking the gov't did this. wow.
thats it. read myst's posts above for why. my opinion is the same.
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lol pretty much.. plain and simple.
i cant wait until iran is dead. he has been pestering me and taking my lunch.
Yeah, so it seems like this debate is over. Its like 10v1.
pwned.
gd gd *high fives*Quote:
pwned.
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mayb this shud b closed now, incase it turns into a flame?
did Sarxous even say he believed his theory?
His theory could be right. but I highly doubt it ..
im not sure what i think about 9/11 but i can say the reason the towers fell the way they did is to do with the high quantity of aspestos used in the buildings.
but 1 thing i definatly disagree with is Myst's reasons for iraq - i mean sure saddam was a dictator killing his own people but there is no prof that he was helping terrorists and also he was no where near getting womd if any1 had actualy listened to the UN inspectors and at least he was holding the country together i mean now look at it it is a mess.
ohh and if any1 is interested there is a gd video on 9/11 in the chat section if u can find it.
You know I was thinking about this a couple minuets ago, and I was about to call you an idiot for making this topic due to it being a touchy subject to some... Then I went back to last semestar and you could very well be right. They could have staged 9/11 BECAUSE Iraq/Afganastan all have tons of natural resources, so it could be possible but like many have said it was probably just terrorism. Thats my bit anyway..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59923762628848
even with that... i still think it's bullcrap.
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You know I was thinking about this a couple minuets ago, and I was about to call you an idiot for making this topic due to it being a touchy subject to some... Then I went back to last semestar and you could very well be right. They could have staged 9/11 BECAUSE Iraq/Afganastan all have tons of natural resources, so it could be possible but like many have said it was probably just terrorism. Thats my bit anyway..
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we went in for WMD's.
Imma take a guess at what WMD is ... lol no can u give me full word for this accro pls!
Weapons of Mass Destruction.Quote:
Imma take a guess at what WMD is ... lol no can u give me full word for this accro pls!
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I agree with Sui, Myst, Static, etc, etc, etc, etc....
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we went in for WMD's.
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but 1 thing i definatly disagree with is Myst's reasons for iraq - i mean sure saddam was a dictator killing his own people but there is no prof that he was helping terrorists and also he was no where near getting womd if any1 had actualy listened to the UN inspectors and at least he was holding the country together i mean now look at it it is a mess.
ohh and if any1 is interested there is a gd video on 9/11 in the chat section if u can find it.
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Firstly, Hussein for awhile was refusing to let UN inspectors in. After he finally did let them in, he kicked them out before they were able to finish their inspections.
Secondly, we've recently (past couple months) found a video of Saddam's second in command saying something to the effect of "I don't know why everybody is so angry at the American president, he was right. We did have Weapons of Mass Destruction. They're in Syria, they were always in Syria."
Third, there was proof actually. I did a large paper on this awhile ago, but I'm not going to dig up all of the info I had for that. There were multiple occasions in which not only was Hussein meeting with Bin Laden, but he was helping to train Al Qaeda soldiers. He taught Al Qaeda multiple new techniques for explosives and even had a replica of a commercial airplane for them to practice in.
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Weapons of Mass Destruction.
I agree with Sui, Myst, Static, etc, etc, etc, etc....
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Okay I see, thanks!
youre an idiot (forgive my rantings.)Quote:
im not sure what i think about 9/11 but i can say the reason the towers fell the way they did is to do with the high quantity of aspestos used in the buildings.
but 1 thing i definatly disagree with is Myst's reasons for iraq - i mean sure saddam was a dictator killing his own people but there is no prof that he was helping terrorists and also he was no where near getting womd if any1 had actualy listened to the UN inspectors and at least he was holding the country together i mean now look at it it is a mess.
ohh and if any1 is interested there is a gd video on 9/11 in the chat section if u can find it.
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eight syrian and iraqi pilots have admitted to flying every womd saddam owned into syria. stiff you noob. we also found hundreds of terrorist training camps. UN inspectors. the letters u and n alone make me laugh. do you know what department iraq was in charge of? the control of weapons of mass destruction. wow? the media doesnt want you you to know this. but how do i know? i dont, not for sure, but i do know 4 people who were, and still are fighting for the freedom of those people. and they also tell me how grateful about 98% of those people are for our help.
Let me say that half if not more of you are the most uninformed individuals on this earth. Look at the facts
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...x+jones&pl=true
This is EXREMLY Plausible, yes it doesnt present the opossing facts, but it doesnt need to. The proof is right there. The steel used for Trade Centers withstand heat of 2000deg. Jet Fuel Burns at 1200Deg. It takes hours to heat up steel enough to bend and collapse. The WTC's were up for about 1 hour. Obvoiusly not enough to do the collapsing.
Lets begin with Pentagon, are you kidding me. Look at live footage from CNN etc... Do you see a plane?? Do you see the 12 foot hole. Dont even say that the plane melted due to jet fuel. If this was true then there would be melted metal. How the hell does two 6 ton engines made from titaniam alloy vaporize. Think about it. The lawn on the pentagon is UNTOUCHED. etc...
SHanksville, again look at the physical evidence. Nothing points to a airplane. Where is the fking airplane. WHen an airplane crashs' it leaves by debris. People speculate/think it was shot down. Now if you shoot down. WHERE are the engines. This dirt was soft in shanksville(Why is the airplane hole so small.
Al Qaeda is NOT a orginazation. It is a label put on a group of people(arabs) to label them as terrorist. That way america can wage war on Iraq for Economic Gain. The whole Middle east is rich in resources.
Yes its hard to imagine our government did this, but facts point to it.
Strangest thing, How the **** did we find bin laden in a hole in iraq when we couldnt even find who killed pac in the MIDDLE of las vegas on the Strip after a Tysen fight. Bullshit!! its always the "good who die young"
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omfg you did not just bring that up you stupid SOB. MY UNCLES FREAKIN OFFICE GOT FREAKIN BLOWN UP BY THE FREAKIN PLANE THAT RAMMED INTO IT! YOU ARE SUCH A DIPSHIT YOU AND THE GUY WHO MADE THE THREAD!
Think about this...
these planes were going to california to NY no stops. they have a shit load of jet fuel. you dont need a freakin bomb when you have literally tons of jet fuel. plane hits weakens the structure substantially but not enough to to bring it down... after burning things heat up.. metal bends when heated up and the weight was just to much for the to handle. hence the tower that was hit lower dropped first. shockwave from having a freakin building falling caused the second to closely follow.
and bacl to that pentagon stuff... that news footage of the pentagons security camera ramming into the side of it may look fake becuase the camera couldnt capture enough frames fast enough to make a smooth vid clip of an object traveling at 500mph passing by. also about the news fottage of only a 12 foot whole... they showed you the inner most ring that was affected by the planes ramming through several other rings of 50 feet of building. ****in wankers left wing democratic sons of bitches get outa this forum
Ok Techline, lets begin by saying R.I.P Those who died. Your uncles have nothing to do with the government planning this. take a mature tone when trying to make a strong statement(it helps)
Now think about the structure. It was only damaged from the top. The structure at the bottem was stable. The Jetfuel only burns to a certain degree. It takes Numerous hours to heat up steal to 2000degrees. Then the steal has to bend. On the 2nd WTC, the majority of jetfuel was outside the building not inside. Giving the precision of the buildings coming down, preasure did not do this. They came down carefully like controlled demolition. They came in Caved in.
Pentagon, the security camera is MISSING A FRAME. Look at the timestamp on the security camera. It skips frame .21
Yes but the fuselage was no where to be found. Engines where nowhere to be found. All they found was a rotary that POSSIBLY came from a 757 but didnt.
Then lets move on to the blackbox's. 7/8 we're deemed damaged beyond repair. Blackbox's are made of the toughest alloy. Guntang or something of that sort. Volume to mass its the toughest. 1 Blackbox wasnt even found after EXTENSIVE searching.
Give it some thought... and stop posting immature comments.
i am way too tired to respond to your whole post, but i just know that the government would not even think of something like this. the only noteable conspiracy that i believe about our government is the JFK assassination. now there was evidence for that. it's such a shame that, despite 9/11 being such a tragedy as it is, people have to try to blow it further out of proportion by draggin in conspiracy and other propoganda that has no hard evidence to support it. i've seen the video you describe, and i'm far from convinced.
*edit* and to add, about the reason for the collapse, the melting steel, all that..
the steel's strength was nearly halved by the heat itself. it did not completely melt the steel, you are correct. however, because the steel was weakened, it could no longer support the tons of steel that was above it. therefore, a "domino effect" was sparked. one floor would collapse under the weight of the one above it, until the tower was completely destroyed.
so we'll just throw that theory out the window
as for the pentagon, i imagine the same thing happened there. the steel weakened, parts collapsed. i also imagine that the pentagon was not "soundly" built, as in, i do not think the walls were as solid as the trade center itself, therefore it would crumble a lot faster, and would take less force to cause damage
Your far from thinking logicly. The government doesnt give a rats ass about us. Anyone read up on the patriot act for gods sake?
9/11 is a tragedy, that the bush administration Mainly including his brother created. What facts do you have to support that this was an act of terrorism. How did the terrorist get on the plane when thier names we'rnt on the list of passangers according to 9.11 Commision Report ?
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.Quote:
Your far from thinking logicly. The government doesnt give a rats ass about us. Anyone read up on the patriot act for gods sake?
9/11 is a tragedy, that the bush administration Mainly including his brother created. What facts do you have to support that this was an act of terrorism. How did the terrorist get on the plane when thier names we'rnt on the list of passangers according to 9.11 Commision Report ?
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I think flying a plane into a tower as a self-made bomb pretty much falls into that category.
Terrorism itself exists everywhere. We are terrorists too(using your definition). Think outside th box sui. And what does terrorism have anything to do with what i posted?
lol yea i'll try to stop being such a closet terroristQuote:
Terrorism itself exists everywhere. We are terrorists too(using your definition). Think outside th box sui. And what does terrorism have anything to do with what i posted?
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and i posted the definition because you said the tragedy wasn't a terrorist act, when by definition, it was. well i suppose if you don't think the government "doesnt give a rats ass about us" then perhaps you would like to sacrifice all your ordained benefits to those less fortunate? frankly, if you can't recognize and appreciate what our government does for you, you don't deserve to live here.
