what a great job by the troops in iraq to kill that motherfucker, and f*** all those people who say the war in iraq isn't accomplishing anything
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what a great job by the troops in iraq to kill that motherfucker, and f*** all those people who say the war in iraq isn't accomplishing anything
Why is this in debate? It should be in Entertainment.
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because i figure it is a strong thing for thsoe who support the war to stand on
and because the "we're only in iraq for oil" or the "war in iraq is not necessary" propoganda is so prevolent on this board
I would say that the propoganda is boasting about killing this guy to try and convince America that this war is a good thing, and to try and make us forget about the 2,707 coalition deaths, 2,483Americans, two Australians, 113 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, three Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 30 Italians, one Kazakh, one Latvian, 17 Poles, two Romanians, two Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians in the war in Iraq as of June 9, 2006 and also the 18,254 U.S. troops that have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.Quote:
propoganda is so prevolent on this board
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Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we killed that bastard but I would still prefer to have my family and friends back in the USA.
I'm just curious, what exactly do you feel has been accomplished so far.Quote:
Originally posted by sui
and f*** all those people who say the war in iraq isn't accomplishing anything
I think the accomplishments are:
Got rid of Saddam Hussein
Got rid of Dictatorship
Building schools, hospitals, etc.
Killed that guy
I don't think that its propaganda attempting to convince anybody of anything, I think its just good news thats being reported. Though, if you want to talk about propaganda, don't you think that the constant daily body count update by the media is also propaganda to lower morale and approval? The reason I say that is because it is war afterall, people do die. That part of war is inevitable, so constantly focusing on the negative aspects of the war isn't helping anything, but rather making the difficulties and struggles both there and at home worse.Quote:
I would say that the propoganda is boasting about killing this guy to try and convince America that this war is a good thing, and to try and make us forget about the 2,707 coalition deaths, 2,483Americans, two Australians, 113 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, three Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 30 Italians, one Kazakh, one Latvian, 17 Poles, two Romanians, two Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians in the war in Iraq as of June 9, 2006 and also the 18,254 U.S. troops that have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we killed that bastard but I would still prefer to have my family and friends back in the USA.[/b]
If you have family and friends over there, it doesn't seem very uplifting and supportive to be leaving out any good that they are doing and pointing out only how many people have died as a result of their presence there.
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Though, if you want to talk about propaganda, don't you think that the constant daily body count update by the media is also propaganda to lower morale and approval?
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That's not propoganda Jack that's the truth, and hiding the fact that their dying would be an insult to them and their families.
Believe me when I do get a chance to speak to any of them I praise them and thank them for everything that they're doing.Quote:
Originally posted by jack
If you have family and friends over there, it doesn't seem very uplifting and supportive to be leaving out any good that they are doing and pointing out only how many people have died as a result of their presence there
indeed. well said jack
in addition to static's post, i think other accomplishments are:
beginning of a government in iraq based on their own choices, not of that of a dictator
a trusting relationship that will become less dependant with time between that of iraq and the US
creating a safer environment (progressively) for the iraqi people, slowly eliminating terrorist regimes.
also, i do not think it is propoganda to "boast" about killing the most wanted terrorist in the world. it is a great thing that this man is not able to hurt any more people. in case you didn't know, though i'm sure you were and you were just trying to make a point ouit of nothing, this man was one of those heading the 9/11 attack, as well as dozens of other terrorist acts in his days. propoganda for eliminating him and celebrating the end of his reign of terror? hardly.
*edit*indeed it would be wrong to hide the death count of the soldiers in iraq. i know what jack was getting at, and it was that the press does not often show the lighter sides of war, but rather it takes deeper digging to find it. i for one know that there are great things being done in iraq, via pictures, testimonies, and unbiasted news reports. unfortunately, our media does not usually think showing a soldier hugging a newly liberated child is as good of a story as one that got murdered.Quote:
Originally posted by heron
That's not propoganda Jack that's the truth, and hiding the fact that their dying would be an insult to them and their families.
Like I said of course killing him was a good thing i'm not trying to say it isn't.
As for the whole new and free government that you speak of. Do you really think that will exist after we pull out from there?
being that they have a prime minister and the vast majority of citizens WANT the government and believe in it, then yes, i do think there will be a government when we pull out.Quote:
Like I said of course killing him was a good thing i'm not trying to say it isn't.
As for the whole new and free government that you speak of. Do you really think that will exist after we pull out from there?
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note: i don't call the terrorists citizens; obviously they would offset the majority by a bit. frankly, i don't call them human either. besides the "religious purpose" behind their attacks, they're also killing people to disrupt their government. if they want their opinions heard, they should have done it peacefully. but that wouldn't be their style.
with all that said, again, i do think the government will hold up, so long as there is enough support from the citizens and military support to hold off the insurgents.
I never said that we should omit the deaths caused by the war, that would be terrible not to honor those who have died. What I said was that updating us with the body count every day and not mentioning any of the positive things is like propaganda because it isn't just to inform us about the war, there is an agenda behind that.
Reminds me of 1 video of a man from Arizona that was killed. His parents spoke on the news, because they were honoring all of the soldiers that died.Quote:
I never said that we should omit the deaths caused by the war, that would be terrible not to honor those who have died. What I said was that updating us with the body count every day and not mentioning any of the positive things is like propaganda because it isn't just to inform us about the war, there is an agenda behind that.
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The son wrote the parents about how he hated the news saying all of the negative stuff in Iraq. He was a soldier, and he said he wishes the news would actually show some of the GOOD they have done. He says it wasnt that bad in Iraq and its only getting better.
I think most of the people opposed to this war are just brainwashed by the democratic media. All they talk about is the death counts. Actually talking to soldiers is the only real way to know what is really going on. Static made a great point and said that it was only getting better, which is right. My cousin had a tour in Iraq about 2 months ago. He came back with a smile on his face and pride in his heart. He told me that when he got there (he served a 1 and 1/2 yr term) it wasn't bad (reffering to the amount of attacks). When he left, everything was more calm and the people of Iraq were cooperating with Iraqi police and officials to catch and eliminate the terrorists, which is how they found al-Zarqawi.
yay for cooperation :D
Let's find the nuclear weapons now ok? Because that's the main reason why the us army went to iraq right?
And about the war in the total middle east, I believe it is never going to calm down.
Acutally, no.Quote:
Let's find the nuclear weapons now ok? Because that's the main reason why the us army went to iraq right?
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Blame Muhammad for that one.Quote:
And about the war in the total middle east, I believe it is never going to calm down.
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Blame Muhammad for that one.
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so true so true
his parents pwned him in the first place (Abu Musab al-Zarqawi)
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his parents pwned him in the first place (Abu Musab al-Zarqawi)
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They did not get rid of dictatorship. There are dictators in Saudi Arabia, China, Syria, Sudan (genocide is apparently occuring there), Zimbabwe, and a ton of others. Some of these dictators we don't eliminate is because of business deals, such as our buying oil from Saudi Arabia. Dictatorships are far from being stopped.Quote:
Got rid of Dictatorship
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In my opinion, they wont leave Iraq until they've fully converted to a democracy. This is only evident because the Allies left Germany to figure their own government out after WWI, then look what happens in WWII; dictators rise to power.
Also, I doubt the U.S. will completely leave Iraq. We will always have soldiers there; we've left them at any place we've fought a war in so far since after WWII (i.e. Vietnam, etc).
i think he meant dictatorship in iraq..Quote:
They did not get rid of dictatorship. There are dictators in Saudi Arabia, China, Syria, Sudan (genocide is apparently occuring there), Zimbabwe, and a ton of others. Some of these dictators we don't eliminate is because of business deals, such as our buying oil from Saudi Arabia. Dictatorships are far from being stopped.
In my opinion, they wont leave Iraq until they've fully converted to a democracy. This is only evident because the Allies left Germany to figure their own government out after WWI, then look what happens in WWII; dictators rise to power.
Also, I doubt the U.S. will completely leave Iraq. We will always have soldiers there; we've left them at any place we've fought a war in so far since after WWII (i.e. Vietnam, etc).
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hehe, sorry, I got carried away.
They did a good thing taking Zarqawi away (killing him), but some other guy will just take his place. It still won't be exactly the same, but it's still terrorism.
well now that hes dead we should bomb Bin Laden lol
Apart from finding saddam this is unarguably the best thing the troops have done in Iraq.
