rodo commission

I was contacted to do two paintings for a girls birthday birthday, one was of the girl, the other I'm still working on.

http://coreygallagher.deviantart.com...sion-139617709

Actual size (2400x3000):
http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs50/f/20...yGallagher.png

holy asdl;kfja thats amazing o.o i think her hair looks weird, but i'm pretty sure thats just the way she parts it, and her arm looks a little out of place, but holy crap that is an amazing piece of artwork there

her facial proportions are off. eyes look a bit weird and so does the nose at the bottom

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Originally Posted by gr4ph1kP4ND4

holy asdl;kfja thats amazing o.o i think her hair looks weird, but i'm pretty sure thats just the way she parts it, and her arm looks a little out of place, but holy crap that is an amazing piece of artwork there

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by (-)Ion

her facial proportions are off. eyes look a bit weird and so does the nose at the bottom

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You don't know what the person looks like therefore telling me her facial features are off carries little to no weight. I take constructive criticism when that criticism fits the situation.

then post the original. either way if you're doing a painting of someone, generally you'd fix imperfections of the face to make it look good. i'm just telling you what you need to improve on. take the criticism or leave it. i could care less. you'd improve though if you took it.

What you're telling me is that I should fix all proportional imperfections if I'm going to paint someone? That's incorrect, there aren't set proportions in which everyone should go by nor do I necessarily need to fix imperfections if I feel the need not to. Imperfections are what differentiates people and by fixing these would only limit a persons individuality as well as an artists stylization.

I'm not trying to sound cocky or a know it all or like I can't take criticism, but you have to take the painting into account when you're attempting to critique it.

frankly, if you're going to paint a portrait you have to have the basic facial proportions right. if you're any kind of artist you know faces have certain general proportions that this just isn't satisfying right now. there is "artist stylization" and there is portrait painting. they are two different things. right now you're right, she looks stylized because her features are not how they are on her actual face. however if you want to paint a portrait you have to paint the correct proportions. her eyes, nose, and shadows of the face are off in this. i jumped the gun when i talked about fixing imperfections. that comes after you get the basic proportions of the face right.

jeeeeeeze ok ion, gallagher is kinda right, you dont know what that person looks like
gallagher, he's just trying to help by giving some constructive criticism...

and end fight

unless she actually has some slight facial deformations it doesn't really matter that I don't know what she actually looks like. the proportions are off. plus the general point of a portrait is to capture how the person looks. saying "you don't know what she looks like so don't say anything bad" when someone critiques a portrait that you painted of someone is kind of ridiculous dont you think?

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frankly, if you're going to paint a portrait you have to have the basic facial proportions right. if you're any kind of artist you know faces have certain general proportions that this just isn't satisfying right now. there is "artist stylization" and there is portrait painting. they are two different things. right now you're right, she looks stylized because her features are not how they are on her actual face. however if you want to paint a portrait you have to paint the correct proportions. her eyes, nose, and shadows of the face are off in this. i jumped the gun when i talked about fixing imperfections. that comes after you get the basic proportions of the face right.

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Tell me where the proportions are so incorrect that you felt the need to start this whole debacle? The general proportions are just fine. You made an idiotic remark and instead of just admitting your stupidity you're trying to discredit me as an artist to strengthen your argument. Artist stylization has to do with everything that artist creates, you don't just miraculously turn it off.
How do you know that her facial features don't look like they do on her actual face? That's how this whole argument was started, you have no idea what she looks like.

http://i33.tinypic.com/161xlj4.png

I had to use both images, one more so then the other obviously, but the upper right images of her face show that her facial features are in fact similar. Yes, these are the actual images I had to use as ref, lq.

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saying "you don't know what she looks like so don't say anything bad" when someone critiques a portrait that you painted of someone is kind of ridiculous dont you think?

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I wasn't saying that. I didn't have a problem that you thought her eye looked weird because that would be my mistake, but facial proportions are not something you can critique without knowing what the person looks like.

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her facial proportions are off. eyes look a bit weird and so does the nose at the bottom

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maybe that's just how she looks...

im not sure if it's the nose or the eyes or both still. i'm thinking it's the eyes, but the shadows on the nose are throwing me off.

alright so here's the proportion im talking about. it's a fault in your perspective rendering. if you draw a line on the photo from tear duct to tear duct the line slopes slightly down and to the right. however in your painting the same line would be straight across. so your facial proportion on one of the eyes is off. to me it looks like the left eye should be moved up just a bit, but i can't tell for sure. maybe moved in just a hair as well it looks like.

now that that's all cleared up..

just i do a lot of portrait sketches and a few paintings myself so when something's off it jumps out at me that something isn't right.

now that that's all cleared up...

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im not sure if it's the nose or the eyes or both still. i'm thinking it's the eyes, but the shadows on the nose are throwing me off.

alright so here's the proportion im talking about. it's a fault in your perspective rendering. if you draw a line on the photo from tear duct to tear duct the line slopes slightly down and to the right. however in your painting the same line would be straight across. so your facial proportion on one of the eyes is off. to me it looks like the left eye should be moved up just a bit, but i can't tell for sure. maybe moved in just a hair as well it looks like.

now that that's all cleared up..

just i do a lot of portrait sketches and a few paintings myself so when something's off it jumps out at me that something isn't right.

now that that's all cleared up...

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That's fine mate, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything I just get caught up in arguments. If one of the eyes is off then that is in fact my fault and I apologize for jumping the gun and immediately arguing and denying your criticism, I realize you were attempting to help and for that I thank you.

It looks really nice but her pupils are positioned 1 degree too much to the right.
Good work, almost looks real ;)

Very nice work, and I can see what Ion is talking about with the eyes now (very good description of drawing the line eye to eye). The only thing I can comment on is that in looking at the original picture, it looks as if her chin area is a bit more rounded than what you did on your version (looks a little more pointed in yours).

Awesome job though.