BSOTW - Tay X Idea

Hey so i think we are in need of a BSOTW, This could be for all the new people to graphics who dont seem to get a chance in SOTW vs some of the voids best artists.

im sure most of you know what BSOTW (Beginners Sig Of The Week) is and how it works. Well its exactly like SOTW but for beginners as the title clearly states :L. I feel that for the new voiders or even some of the old voiders who have just got back into sig making should be able to enter this but people who have hmm dono how to say it, a better nack at signature making cant enter it.

I think this will help more people get involved and sig making and maybe bring some new artists to the forum, also help newer designers improve more and have a feel of accomplishment in winning.

If this is accepted i would love it if i could run it :P but that would be up to the top dogs, If staff members wish to talk to me more about it PM me or post here

Thanks, And i hope this gets accepted :P

How do we decide who is beginner? = Problems.

If They are like new to photoshop or still havent got the nack of sig making like if a sig is too good for BSOTW the staff will vote and decide, Also i forgot to add that you cant enter SOTW and BSOTW during the same week

idea copied but i'd have to agree with this though. :P

Nutter/DM already stated that they aren't going to discriminate people based on their skill.

Remember the Signature Showcase and the Noob Signature Showcase, thing?
Seems like the same problem.

There is a positive from this, though. I personally don't mind, tbh.

We personally do not need another competition we already have a lot and this would just put extra work on the mods.

I like it but then I don't. I like it cause it would give the ppl that aren't as good a chance to win something but I don't cause sometimes we don't always get a great turn out to the sotw and splitting them up wouldn't be good

i dont like the idea, the whole point of the competition is so designers make the best work they can to win. beginners just have to improve there work so they can compete at the same level. if there was a beginner level than no one would improve or the would very little

And plus, who has the right to tell someone they're a beginner or not? I see this causing problems.

i understand what you all say, just thought id put the idea out there

This would only result in some people getting offende and discriminated, due to reasons state in the posts above. Also somebody would have to actually jude all members before they could enter the competition each week, who's up for a job like that.......

Sum: Good idea, not executable :)

Agreed. It would eventually create un wanted issues I'm afraid.

i'm a beginner and would love it if there was a bsotw, it would help me improve more

I like this idea because I being bad myself would really like to see this.
This would really bush beginners to work towards getting better and making new sits for this contest with a hope of winning. I don't even bother making a sig for sotw because I know there's a 0% chance of me winning so I dont get better but if the BOSTW was created I would make more sits to enter hence getting more practice.

And picking the beginners or members to enter in the bsotw is easy.

You would make a bsotw section and you wouldnt pick all of tr members to enter in it, if a member thinks they're are a beginner they will enter and if they think they are more advanced then they would enter the regular sotw at their own will.

Please take this idea into consideration because I think it's a great one and members will greatly improve from it.

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Originally Posted by RemixIsWin

I like this idea because I being bad myself would really like to see this.
This would really bush beginners to work towards getting better and making new sits for this contest with a hope of winning. I don't even bother making a sig for sotw because I know there's a 0% chance of me winning so I dont get better but if the BOSTW was created I would make more sits to enter hence getting more practice.

And picking the beginners or members to enter in the bsotw is easy.

You would make a bsotw section and you wouldnt pick all of tr members to enter in it, if a member thinks they're are a beginner they will enter and if they think they are more advanced then they would enter the regular sotw at their own will.

Please take this idea into consideration because I think it's a great one and members will greatly improve from it.

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^^ See spoken by someone who thinks it will work, i understand everyones point but this was the one i was trying to make xD

I don't like this idea, because it is only through failure that you get better. If everyone only battles noobs they will not feel challenged to be greater, only have to be good enough to beat a noob. I personally like challenging greater artists and feel as tho I push myself harder when there is a challenge to beat. Some noobs may feel differently tho Idk.

yeah but thats for you your good with sigs, im on about people that have only been using photoshop for like under 6months

What Domino said is true except moat people don't want to make an entry for the regular sotw including myself because I have no chance of winning and if the bsotw is created I will make a sig and practice to try and win. Which I could never do in regular sotw

It's not about being 'offended' because those who choose to participate already recognize that they're a beginner - and think about it, it's better to be a beginner than to not begin at all. And let's be honest, I could see some being intimidated by the much more stronger-skilled of the void who still participate in sotw. This is why there's such a medal as "most improved player"; So that the awarded recognizes that they're efforts have not gone unnoticed! I think this should be given more thought. It may not be easy to establish, but I think it's something worth pursuing.

oh cry me a dAM RIVER god for bid if a mod has acctualy have to work for once wow lol jk i kinda had this idea allready but w/e gl

That was a bit uncalled for but anyways, I've become used to it.

Here's the deal then. I've already made a topic in the mod forum about this and we're going to discuss it amongst ourselves and at the same time keep an eye on this topic. What I myself may be willing to do is run this at some point on a trial basis only to see how it works out, if at all.

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Originally Posted by Dark Method

That was a bit uncalled for but anyways, I've become used to it.

Here's the deal then. I've already made a topic in the mod forum about this and we're going to discuss it amongst ourselves and at the same time keep an eye on this topic. What I myself may be willing to do is run this at some point on a trial basis only to see how it works out, if at all.

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Thank you for considering it again

Me personally am really looking forward to one of these, even if its just a trial so thanks again DM

No, because then it makes it even harder for Radillac to make 2 ribbons per week and its the fact that SOTW is for anyone that wants to enter, I am a beginner but I'm advancing into higher stages I think.. But how can you know if I'm being dishonest and I'm a high novice artist?

who gives a damn about emblems/ribbons?

BSOTW shouldn't received ribbons. If this idea is in fact for "noobs" to get better at Photoshop and improve then winning the comp should be reward enough. This comp is bout getting better and learning new things right? Not about glam and making getting medals, if they want medals they can work hard and try to enter the real SOTW, no need to make rad make 2 medals every week.

the reward for winning the BSOTW should be promotion to SOTW, if you beat all the noobs you should be able to compete against the rest of the void imo.

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Originally Posted by DOMINO™

the reward for winning the BSOTW should be promotion to SOTW, if you beat all the noobs you should be able to compete against the rest of the void imo.

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Nice idea, but that would make some people feel like their rights were violated, the Void is democracy people can enter in which ever competition they please it'd be kind of cruel to say they couldn't enter SOTW until they won BSOTW.

This is a bad Idea.

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Originally Posted by sirenzo

oh cry me a dAM RIVER god for bid if a mod has acctualy have to work for once wow lol jk i kinda had this idea allready but w/e gl

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Ever run a forum before? I spend half my free time and a good portion of every day monitoring this website not to have some punk tell me that the work I do and the work these guys as staff members do is a load of shit.
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But Back to the topic... In my opinion I don't think this is a very good idea at all. How are you going to define a Beginner? Someone new to the forum, someone new to the site, someone that doesn't have a CS version of Photoshop? In my view it's degrading stating that someone isn't allowed to enter a proper comp just because they are a newbie, not to mention that people will probably lie just so they can boast about winning a comp. Every member has a right to enter the proper SoTW comp and it gives them an idea to what can be expected if they want to win.

If you enter a SoTW comp and you're not winning, then it shows that you need to focus on improving and trying out new tutorials or techniques. Isn't honest truth and proper CnC what you guys are after? So wouldn't telling someone that they are the best at being a newbie be lying to them when they may not be as good as what they are being told they are?

These comps are voluntary. We are not forcing people to enter them, so why would we want to force people not to enter them just because they don't know how to make a great sig. I would prefer that the comp was left as one comp and if you find that you are not winning then you will understand that it's because people didn't find your sig appealing, rather then telling someone they are just a Gfx-Noob.

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Originally Posted by Nutter

Ever run a forum before? I spend half my free time and a good portion of every day monitoring this website not to have some punk tell me that the work I do and the work these guys as staff members do is a load of shit.
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But Back to the topic... In my opinion I don't think this is a very good idea at all. How are you going to define a Beginner? Someone new to the forum, someone new to the site, someone that doesn't have a CS version of Photoshop? In my view it's degrading stating that someone isn't allowed to enter a proper comp just because they are a newbie, not to mention that people will probably lie just so they can boast about winning a comp. Every member has a right to enter the proper SoTW comp and it gives them an idea to what can be expected if they want to win.

If you enter a SoTW comp and you're not winning, then it shows that you need to focus on improving and trying out new tutorials or techniques. Isn't honest truth and proper CnC what you guys are after? So wouldn't telling someone that they are the best at being a newbie be lying to them when they may not be as good as what they are being told they are?

These comps are voluntary. We are not forcing people to enter them, so why would we want to force people not to enter them just because they don't know how to make a great sig. I would prefer that the comp was left as one comp and if you find that you are not winning then you will understand that it's because people didn't find your sig appealing, rather then telling someone they are just a Gfx-Noob.

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I don't think he was asking for a beginner to be defined, because you're right, that would be mean and rude and all sorts of not nice stuff. I think he means it would be a competition where people who feel like beginners can compete with a shot at winning. They get to enter themselves into the beginner category, no one tells them to go there. And so there are no hurt feelings.

As for cheating. It would be pretty easy to tell if someone is clearly not making novice sigs and kick them out, and it seems like most people on here know each other so if a good designer tries to be sneaky and win the competition, I don't think he'd get away with it very easily. And what kind of experienced designer wants to impress everyone by winning a competition for beginners? Who does that impress O.o (other than ketg)

I agree that failure is a good motivation thingy, but not ALL THE TIME. A few failures is good to get you going, but constant failure is the quickest way to make someone sad. There are people in this thread and people I know who don't enter sotw because they know they will never get a single vote. You can tell them to get better but failing week after week after week, how long do you think they keep trying before they just give up? If anything a chance at winning a competition would inspire these people to try harder, but feeling hopeless every time they enter the sotw? That wont help anyone.

It is simply not true that putting someone in a competition where they don't have a chance is good motivation. That is why things are always divided into leagues and weightclasses and other silly boxes. Because people get better fastest and have the most fun when they have a chance! Because you can't put someone in a hopeless situation and think it will do anything but make them hopeless.

Ok, done ranting. Sorry =D

I appreciate what you do by the way!

Look at how many competitions we have on this website versus the active users. The best thing I can suggest for a beginner is to look for another beginner and challenge them directly in our battlegrounds. That way you can choose someone who you think will give you a run for your money.

I don't think there are enough people at "beginner" level to have an official competition for. If we did that, than what is stopping from people wanting a one for each level?

I might give the SotW a go, and chances are I won't win, I normally make my art without thinking about size limitations, or using a rectangle, or other type of container, unless it is to be a printed.


PS: I love your current tag, it needs a lot of work, but still looks great. : )

Dont think the void need's this.
1st. about what domino said that when u win the bsotw u get a promotion to the sotw. but than u still get all the better tag desingers in the bsotw so.
And i think the sotw already made a big stap that they dont display names on the tag's anymore. Evry member will be better trough the time some take 3 monts and some 2 weeks but if they feel ready then they can join the sotw right? like it has always been that way i guess :P The way the sotw runs now is great. if members join they hope to get some votes an next time even more and if they dont got any it means that they have to go with an other style. and if they do get votes and improve their style they may even win the sotw. So i dont think this bsotw will work..

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Originally Posted by Misery

No, because then it makes it even harder for Radillac to make 2 ribbons per week and its the fact that SOTW is for anyone that wants to enter, I am a beginner but I'm advancing into higher stages I think.. But how can you know if I'm being dishonest and I'm a high novice artist?

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I said if the mods wanted i would run it,

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Originally Posted by Dark Method

That was a bit uncalled for but anyways, I've become used to it.

Here's the deal then. I've already made a topic in the mod forum about this and we're going to discuss it amongst ourselves and at the same time keep an eye on this topic. What I myself may be willing to do is run this at some point on a trial basis only to see how it works out, if at all.

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Thanks for taking it into consideration mate

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Originally Posted by littlefeet

And what kind of experienced designer wants to impress everyone by winning a competition for beginners? Who does that impress O.o (other than ketg)

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I lol'd XD

Maybe this should be taken to a community vote?

Sorry. I got shut down people. Same with this thread. I have to close it. I tried.