Printable View
What is everybody's take on Satanism in schools and public? I don't know about everywhere, but I do know that all forms of satanism are banned from most American schools. This, since it has been around since before the 'seperation of church and state' was really enforced, is a huge Christian influence in our public school system that should not be there.
To me, satanism is simply another religion.
by banning satanism, they're being hypacritical on so many levels, one of them is the right to practice your religon, and have free speach. people seem to hate saddam for imposing his beleifes on his people, but isnt america doing the EXACT same thing?
by banning gay marrige, they're being even more hypacritical (in the bible it says god created man in his image, and since homosexuals are infact human, well bible thumpers got owned).
what is considered as "satanism" in schools?
well atleast here in finland theres nothing like that :huh: i think
It's most commonly displayed with the worshiping or idolizing of Satan or any other religious evil.Quote:
Originally posted by dragoneye@15 Hours Ago
what is considered as "satanism" in schools?
well atleast here in finland theres nothing like that* :huh: i think
[snapback]86226[/snapback]
hmmm banning behavior or incorrect hair styles, jewlry and so forth is fair enough. as long as such banning isn't used to target specific cultural groups as a form of persecution.
But banning a beleif system is totaly wrong. I actualy like the way the french have gone, any form of religious symbolism or dress code cannot be worn at school. Hair style becomes a problem, but at least its consistant, regardless of beleif.
Not to generalize anyone, but I believe it was on the Wiki I read that some christian groups are the only who actually define Satan or Satanism as concerning to the devil and all that betrayal of god stuff.
I've never read the bible nor go to church, so I can't say much or act on what I think without knowing the whole story. But I with all of the religions, reading the bible some would only claim would tell me the whole truth.
yes, well main stream christianity in america, specially among the AOG's of the world, love to villify something. Nothing is easier than to attack works of the devil, which obviously is satanism. I wont even get onto issues I have with some of the teachings by leading figures in the AOG and affiliated areas, but even the Baptists and other Evangelical denominations and groups love to point to satanists.
Of course most of this is done without careful study of the facts, an analysis of the history of christianity, the catholic church and satanism. or for that matter many of the other religions. yet each time something happens that is moraly questionable then obviously the witches and devil worshipers are at fault.
Shame really because fundamentalistic christianity with the pentocostal focus on emotions allows for a lot of influence in america, without much fact being the basis of such views being pushed.
In Melbourne, Australia they just repelled the laws that outlawed witchcraft, tarots and so forth, apparently the law was over 150 years old. All the 'full gospel/evangelical' and pentocostal christain groups were outraged.
I think Satanism is bad for schools..they are probably doing that to act all cool or gothic crap bull poop..AM I REACHING?!
Any religion should not be in schools. I don't think that they should ban it though (as they try to do) or disallow certain types of clothing. As you said, its another religion.
First of all there should be no religion, i personally veiw it all as bs(but thats just me).
Even tho i'm christian, i believe there shouldnt be any religion in school. I dont see the point, just leave it at home. Wear your religous clothing or w/e and shut the hell up. I actually have a few muslim friends and class mates. (they are pretty nice people, i must admit.)
So... i think satanism should not be allowed in school, along with all other religions ( including christianity).
I don't think they should go up to people wearing a cross and kick them out of school. Same thing with people wearing 666 on their shirt...
lol tacox. Understand your sentiment. I think the idea in france about the laws baning overt religious symbols and dress was to remove the religion from the schools, just like removing gang colors from school in america helps remove gang problems in school. Of course it doesn't remove the problem but it makes all the PC people feel good because it's not obvious.
Personaly I think it's good. I beleive people have the right to practice whatever religion or beleif system they wish as long as it doesn't impact on anyone else's freedom of choice. This to me means door knocking should be banned, along with handing out tracts in the street, holding dubious IQ testing as a way to get you in the door, wearing in your face T-Shirts proclaiming your religion and how everyone else should beleive it, billboards with religious messages, etc. I spose dress code is another part of this, but in school it is a tough issue.
You bring up many good points, and I'm going to abstract on a few of them (mind me getting a bit off topic here and there)...
I personlly don't feel there should be a dress code at all, even preventing gang clothing. People know whos in what gang anyways, theres no way to ban specific colors. As soon as they're off school grounds you know the bandana's come out, the pants get rolled, and the laces are in. I don't think it helps very much if any.
I also don't like the idea of people pushing religion in your face, and i'm totally against that or anything similar. But if people want to wear a shirt that shows what religious values they have I don't mind at all.
I think its good that people can practice whatever they wan't - although I dont think it should promoted by the schools themselfs (by saying this I mean staff, lessons, etc). I don't think it should be shunned apon either by staff (restricting clothing, etc)
I would like to know why they even did this. People do not go around praying to the devil in the middle of the hallway or class... how did tih subject matter even come about in public schools?
Hmm Tacox you raise an interesting point, religion promoted by schools.
When I went to school they had RE, Religious Education. I dont know about now but every public primary school in australia had it back when i went to school.
When my eldest went to school they had it back then, so that was about umm.. 10 years ago.
The problem is they only teach one kind of religion, christianity, and to me that's not fair. RE should be an exposure to the different religions out there and promote understanding of others view points, not indoctrination that god is real if your a white anglosaxon and go to the Church of England (or Aglican in Australia). Basicaly RE has been a tool of the Anglican church to educate the 8 year olds of the world about what they beleive is the Truth.
Personaly at that age their brains are like sponges, indoctrination of ideas is very easy to do, and providing only one view point is so wrong. As well as the fact that they dont get taught that a lot of peple dont beleive in a god, or are budists or maoists etc... and then it gets all political.
And then there are Catholic, Anglican, Uniting Church, Morman, AOG, Muslim schools that not only teach our young what is required by law for an education, but they indoctrinate the children (well try) in the beleifs that the school holds.
Personaly I reckon that should be banned, but i understand that in some countries (ie. Iran), without the religious schools a lot of people wouldn't get educated, so its a tough one.
Btw, about the T-shirts, I think your right, but it can develop a culture of 'outreach' by religios groups, and when together they can gang up on a lone non religious person and try to 'encourage' them in their religion. I have experianced it and its not fun... thats more my leaning in not allowing it. but it woudl be a extream action in limiting personal freedom to express yourself. its a tough one.
im taking world religions next year. why? because i dont beleive in any religion, and i want to know how much the teacher expects us to know about christianity. i also want to be able to understand where people are comming from when they base their day to day decisions on their religion.
Sounds like an interesting course. I was about to choose Relgious Studies as an option in the fall but chose Greek/Roman Studies over it.
You'll learn that basically if you don't follow every religion there is you'll burn in one form of hell or another. It seems to be the same everywhere. Follow this religion or burn, follow that religion or burn, and so forth and so on.
Satanism shouldn't be banned. I don't think it is here in the UK.
If people have the right to worship God in schools, why don't people have the right to worship Satanism. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity and equality, correct, then they should stop dictating others' lives.
The real Satanists, from the Church of Satan, dont do any of the animal sacrifices or any of that. Those are the cults. In the Bible of Satan it very clearly states that stupidity is a sin. Therefore, any one who is seriously a Satanist, and not just one to be different, then they wouldnt do anything "stupid" in school anyways. Anyways, for the cultists, why not just say: "No sacrafices in school." instead of banning a whole religion.
too many religions i've become immune to all of them ... they're like fucking viruses.. i hate christianity, i hate satanism... because it's a crock of shit being shoved down my throat by people in the street, people in my school, even assholes who masturbate over god and lucifer... all a bunch of horse shit if you ask me... now who's up cinnamon snaps and coffe :lol: i'll bring our own monkey .. we can call him neville and teach him to play playstation :D
EDIT/// MY 1000th post go me
speaking of schools i have to get on the bus in 23 minutes go me.
10 minutes to go.. unlucky you i'm still off for 4 more weeks and it's 1:38pm i havn't slept in almost 3 days ..and i don't feel a thing :mellow:
real satanism doens't exist and never existed (invented during the 14th century through the catholic church to strenghen their base of power). modern satanism is a mixture of atheism, christianity, socialdarwinism and some mystic parts adapted from celtic and new age religions.
cp: Anton Szandor LaVey, Ragnar Redbeard (Might is Right), Aleister Crowley, Stephen Flowers (Lords of the Left-Hand Path)
"Real" Satanists belive Satan not to be a actual beign or god but a symbol for all doings deemed "sins" by the Christians. They do not worship this symbol, there merely embrace it because they are basically Chrisianity's anarchists. The most important rule of Satanism is to not be fall into stupidity so as you can imagine it is very much based on self-empowerment and the like. The basic message of the Church of Satan bible is to do what ever it is that pleases you.
satanism to me is just another worthles realigon that the goverment uses to brain wash people
