hey all, here is proof that, if you have not been told already, now you know, do NOT try to avoit dogs, expecially on a slick surface! i did, and i skrewed my car UP. totalled, and got lucky to walk out of it, well crawl out that is. also, seat belts do save lives! i would not be typing right now had i not worn mne.

but, heres my car now:









its not fun, its better to replace the bumper than the whole car!

hope this helps someone later down the road, learn from my experiences!!!

thanks,

mas