Do you smoke?

[S-Gen.]

smoking is the most unattractive thing a person can do imo

it smells bad, makes you cough, looks bad, and can kill you. yes that is quite the good thing to get into

[Seki]

Originally posted by Nike@Mar 12 2006, 11:40 PM
What in the hell kind of bullshit is that? You are not incontrol of smoking. Cigarettes (I assume you smoke.) are very addictive. Where do you find you statistics on your body get full regenerated in five years? I know people who got cancer from smoking ten years back. Please think before your post.

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Dont speak to me like that, thank you.
Hmm, well, according to the health officers that visited my high school, until the age of 35, if you quit smoking, then in 5 years time, your body will function as if you have never smoked - ofcourse the tar will still be in your lungs, and ofcourse you will still have a chance of getting cancer, but thats years down the line - I dont want to live till im really old - I've seen how difficult it is to get from day to day at old age.

Thats a good idea too, do something that requires high-concentration while taking something that takes away your concentration, logic, and judgement* I really hope you don't mean that you do things like drive "whilst stoned as ****."

Its called a joke, Jack, Im not that irresponsible.. Im not old enough to drive yet anyway.

I think you are the one who needs to think before you speak, as you obviously spent no more than a second reading my post.

[imported_Nike]

Originally posted by Seki@Mar 13 2006, 12:59 PM
Dont speak to me like that, thank you.
Hmm, well, according to the health officers that visited my high school, until the age of 35, if you quit smoking, then in 5 years time, your body will function as if you have never smoked - ofcourse the tar will still be in your lungs, and ofcourse you will still have a chance of getting cancer, but thats years down the line - I dont want to live till im really old - I've seen how difficult it is to get from day to day at old age.

Its called a joke, Jack, Im not that irresponsible.. Im not old enough to drive yet anyway.

I think you are the one who needs to think before you speak, as you obviously spent no more than a second reading my post.

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I can talk to you how I want. Your "Health officers" that visited your school are idiots. Tar is one of the main things in cigarettes that causes problems.. That's the worst part my friend. I know people who died of 45 of cancer and cigarettes. You wouldn't want to live past 45? I did read your idiotic post. And your wrong.

[imported_Jack]

Seki, how did we "spend no more than a second reading your post" ? We came up with valid arguements to the points you made in your post. It was you that took a serious topic and made a post that was filled with jokes and blatantly innaccurate information. Its really sad that you're into all of that and you aren't even old enough to drive.

[BustA]

Originally posted by MTB@Mar 2 2006, 07:34 PM
And busta, you promised you'd stop with the drugs and smoking

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i lied.

[Seki]

Reply Part 1

Originally posted by Nike@Mar 13 2006, 09:32 PM
I can talk to you how I want. Your "Health officers" that visited your school are idiots. Tar is one of the main things in cigarettes that causes problems.. That's the worst part my friend. I know people who died of 45 of cancer and cigarettes. You wouldn't want to live past 45? I did read your idiotic post. And your wrong.

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I'm sorry to hear that people you know have passed away at such a young age. However, I choose to smoke, I don't smoke in the presence of people who don't smoke unless they say they're happy for me to do so. Yeah, Tar sure is a main problem with smoking, - but you do realize, that in any metropolitan area - you're probably inhaling far more dangerous substances than tar, and they'll be building up.

I know this is unrelated to the discussion between yourself Jack and I, but I think it is quite interesting and related to the topic as a whole:

Since 1950, the incidence of all cancers in people between the ages of 50 and 60 years has increased by 44%, with even higher increases in some of the more deadly forms of cancer. Breast and colon cancer went up 60%, prostate up 100% and testicular cancer for men between the ages of 28 and 35 went up 300%. Lung cancer has gone up 262%, an increase that is obviously not related to cigarette smoking, because over the same period the number of people smoking cigarettes dropped from 50% to 25%..."

and also

Top 15 Male Life Expectancies

 *LE (years) Smokers prevalence (%) 
1. Iceland 76.6 (1994) 31.0 (1994) 
2. Japan 76.5 (1994) 59.0 (1994) 
3. Costa Rica *75.9 (1994) *35.0 (1988) 
4. Israel 75.9 (1994) 45.0 (1990) 
5. Sweden 75.5 (1994) 22.0 (1994) 
6. Greece 75.2 (1994) 46.0 (1994) 
7. Switzerland *74.8 (1994) 36.0 (1992) 
8. Netherlands 74.7 (1994) 36.0 (1994) 
9. Canada *74.7 (1994) 31.0 (1991) 
10. Cuba 74.7 (1994) 49.3 (1990) 
11. Australia *74.5 (1994) *29.0 (1993) 
12. Spain 74.5 (1994) *48.0 (1993) 
13. Malta 74.5 (1994) 40.0 (1992) 
14. Italy *74.4 (1994) 38.0 (1994) 
15. France 74.3 (1994) 40.0 (1993) 
USA *72.6 (1994) 28.1 (1991) 

If, as the anti smokers postulate, smoking is a deadly "addiction", trimming years off the life of the smoker, how do they explain such examples as Japan, Israel, Greece, Cuba, Spain, Italy and France? How can it be that people in these countries smoke far more than people in the United States, yet manage to live substantially longer?

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Originally posted by Jack@Mar 13 2006, 09:40 PM
Seki, how did we "spend no more than a second reading your post" ?

Because I say so, Jack. (only joking - see P.S)

Its really sad that you're into all of that and you aren't even old enough to drive.

How much of a sheltered life do you live? Yeah, it may well be sad, but most people i know aren't shallow enough to judge anyone on something like that.
Please take into account personal troubles, social situations etc before thumping down on the keyboard with crap like that.
and what do you mean "all that"; cannabis and cigarettes? Jeez, man, im a hardcore junky, I should get help eh?
NAW mate.
I take some pride in the fact that i've resisted, and dont plan on, taking any other drugs other than those afformentioned, alcohol and charlie, and considering the habits of the younger population of Glasgow, I dont think thats too bad, considering the number of teens in glasgow who are crack/smack addicts... I can think of 10 off the top of my head,.. and also considering how easy it is to get both drugs, and how many times ive been offered them.
I smoke cannabis because I choose to; because its a great social drug - there is nothing more hilarious than chilling in your room with your mates, getting a toke and watching some otherwise-not-funny-at-all film and gutting yourself with laughter.
Plus, I have found that it increases my creative drive, and some of my best artworks have been produced whilst stoned .

a post that was filled with jokes and blatantly innaccurate information

A light-hearted joke which your "sense of humour" obviously couldnt pick up - but let me guess- you dont find stuff like this funny, well, you dont need to, but atleast respect my post and dont be like "WTFMANOMG".
So rumble that into your joint and smoke it (hoho)

P.S The real reason I said you obviously didnt spend more than a second reading that post is because I said absolutely nothing about tar leaving your lungs, I said your body regenerates - as in, if like me you smoke at current, you're no doubt quite useless at running - then after quitting for around 5 years, you would, in theory be able to exercise again as if you had never smoked - as your arteries would eventually clear up. It would, obviously differ from person to person
I cant prove this, this is just what I was tought by way of "drug education" in primary school and secondary school.
And i'm now just trying to explain to you what I meant.

[BustA]

ouch.

[imported_Nike]

Originally posted by Seki@Mar 14 2006, 01:07 AM
Reply Part 1

I'm sorry to hear that people you know have passed away at such a young age.* However, I choose to smoke, I don't smoke in the presence of people who don't smoke unless they say they're happy for me to do so.* Yeah, Tar sure is a main problem with smoking, - but you do realize, that in any metropolitan area - you're probably inhaling far more dangerous substances than tar, and they'll be building up.

I know this is unrelated to the discussion between yourself Jack and I, but I think it is quite interesting and related to the topic as a whole:

Since 1950, the incidence of all cancers in people between the ages of 50 and 60 years has increased by 44%, with even higher increases in some of the more deadly forms of cancer. Breast and colon cancer went up 60%, prostate up 100% and testicular cancer for men between the ages of 28 and 35 went up 300%. Lung cancer has gone up 262%, an increase that is obviously not related to cigarette smoking, because over the same period the number of people smoking cigarettes dropped from 50% to 25%..."

and also

Top 15 Male Life Expectancies

 *LE (years) Smokers prevalence (%) 
1. Iceland 76.6 (1994) 31.0 (1994) 
2. Japan 76.5 (1994) 59.0 (1994) 
3. Costa Rica *75.9 (1994) *35.0 (1988) 
4. Israel 75.9 (1994) 45.0 (1990) 
5. Sweden 75.5 (1994) 22.0 (1994) 
6. Greece 75.2 (1994) 46.0 (1994) 
7. Switzerland *74.8 (1994) 36.0 (1992) 
8. Netherlands 74.7 (1994) 36.0 (1994) 
9. Canada *74.7 (1994) 31.0 (1991) 
10. Cuba 74.7 (1994) 49.3 (1990) 
11. Australia *74.5 (1994) *29.0 (1993) 
12. Spain 74.5 (1994) *48.0 (1993) 
13. Malta 74.5 (1994) 40.0 (1992) 
14. Italy *74.4 (1994) 38.0 (1994) 
15. France 74.3 (1994) 40.0 (1993) 
USA *72.6 (1994) 28.1 (1991) 

If, as the anti smokers postulate, smoking is a deadly "addiction", trimming years off the life of the smoker, how do they explain such examples as Japan, Israel, Greece, Cuba, Spain, Italy and France? How can it be that people in these countries smoke far more than people in the United States, yet manage to live substantially longer?

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Because I say so, Jack. (only joking - see P.S)
How much of a sheltered life do you live?* Yeah, it may well be sad, but most people i know aren't shallow enough to judge anyone on something like that.
Please take into account personal troubles, social situations etc before thumping down on the keyboard with crap like that.
and what do you mean "all that"; cannabis and cigarettes? Jeez, man, im a hardcore junky, I should get help eh?
NAW mate.
I take some pride in the fact that i've resisted, and dont plan on, taking any other drugs other than those afformentioned, alcohol and charlie, and considering the habits of the younger population of Glasgow, I dont think thats too bad, considering the number of teens in glasgow who are crack/smack addicts... I can think of 10 off the top of my head,.. and also considering how easy it is to get both drugs, and how many times ive been offered them.
I smoke cannabis because I choose to; because its a great social drug - there is nothing more hilarious than chilling in your room with your mates, getting a toke and watching some otherwise-not-funny-at-all film and gutting yourself with laughter.
Plus, I have found that it increases my creative drive, and some of my best artworks have been produced whilst stoned .
A light-hearted joke which your "sense of humour" obviously couldnt pick up - but let me guess- you dont find stuff like this funny, well, you dont need to, but atleast respect my post and dont be like "WTFMANOMG".
So rumble that into your joint and smoke it (hoho)

Okay let me start off by saying this. What a load of crap. Jack did no judge you in anyway. He just pointed out how sad it was your a junky and your not able to drive yet.

Please take into account personal troubles, social situations etc before thumping down on the keyboard with crap like that.
and what do you mean "all that"; cannabis and cigarettes? Jeez, man, im a hardcore junky, I should get help eh?

Hm.. I'm taking into account that your "Personal troubles and social situations" are getting caught doing drugs, or some other immature actions that got your license revoked. Thus leading us with less pitty for you.

I take some pride in the fact that i've resisted, and dont plan on, taking any other drugs other than those afformentioned, alcohol and charlie, and considering the habits of the younger population of Glasgow, I dont think thats too bad, considering the number of teens in glasgow who are crack/smack addicts... I can think of 10 off the top of my head,.. and also considering how easy it is to get both drugs, and how many times ive been offered them.

You take pride in that your not that much of a junky yet. That's nothing to be proud of my friend.

I smoke cannabis because I choose to; because its a great social drug

You smoke cannabis because your choose to... Okay? We never told you that you where told to? It is not a great social drug. When I did it all I did was stare at a firepit the entire night and I probably lost a few lines of my sight.

there is nothing more hilarious than chilling in your room with your mates, getting a toke and watching some otherwise-not-funny-at-all film and gutting yourself with laughter.
Plus, I have found that it increases my creative drive, and some of my best artworks have been produced whilst stoned .
A light-hearted joke which your "sense of humour" obviously couldnt pick up - but let me guess- you dont find stuff like this funny, well, you dont need to,

There is tons more funny things you could be doing. Like drinking, going ot the movies, play on the computer. Look at that! Three things I'd rather do than smoke. I've done my most creative things not being stoned. Yay for me!

but atleast respect my post and dont be like "WTFMANOMG".

I don't believe he ever posted, "WTFMANOMG." ever..

So rumble that into your joint and smoke it (hoho)

I thought we established that he doesn't smoke. So he can't rumble that into his joint (He doesn't own one.) and smoke it (He doesn't smoke.). Oh and he is no hoho.

Sorry if my post was a bit hard to read. Gauntlet 2 is on.

[Seki]

Originally posted by Nike@Mar 14 2006, 04:04 AM
First off, I like how you actually.. backed up your statements but several mistakes.
So your suggesting that I should just add to the poison?
Alright that is complete bullshit. Please show me the source that you got that from. But let me pretend that I'm wrong. Why would we want to even give ourselves higher risks of getting this awful disease?

Top 15 Male Life Expectancies

 *LE (years) Smokers prevalence (%) 
1. Iceland 76.6 (1994) 31.0 (1994) 
2. Japan 76.5 (1994) 59.0 (1994) 
3. Costa Rica *75.9 (1994) *35.0 (1988) 
4. Israel 75.9 (1994) 45.0 (1990) 
5. Sweden 75.5 (1994) 22.0 (1994) 
6. Greece 75.2 (1994) 46.0 (1994) 
7. Switzerland *74.8 (1994) 36.0 (1992) 
8. Netherlands 74.7 (1994) 36.0 (1994) 
9. Canada *74.7 (1994) 31.0 (1991) 
10. Cuba 74.7 (1994) 49.3 (1990) 
11. Australia *74.5 (1994) *29.0 (1993) 
12. Spain 74.5 (1994) *48.0 (1993) 
13. Malta 74.5 (1994) 40.0 (1992) 
14. Italy *74.4 (1994) 38.0 (1994) 
15. France 74.3 (1994) 40.0 (1993) 
USA *72.6 (1994) 28.1 (1991) 

If, as the anti smokers postulate, smoking is a deadly "addiction", trimming years off the life of the smoker, how do they explain such examples as Japan, Israel, Greece, Cuba, Spain, Italy and France? How can it be that people in these countries smoke far more than people in the United States, yet manage to live substantially longer?

Where did you get this from? This is total bull too. But again I'll pretend. Those countries also eat very well. Maybe they eat better giving them advantages? There's hundreds of things that can happen. But doubt it happened.

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First off, that was not meant as a back-up for my argument, it was simply a point of interest I thought I might share with those reading this topic, the source was found as on a Wikipedia further reading link found under the search topic of "smoking".
On reading it again, I notice there are several data errors such as using different years used in comparing the life expectancy with the percentage of the population smoking.

but you do realize, that in any metropolitan area - you're probably inhaling far more dangerous substances than tar, and they'll be building up.

So your suggesting that I should just add to the poison?

No i'm not suggesting that, I'm just saying that even if smoking was totally banned, the amount of traffic/industrial pollution in the air would be just as detrimental to ones health.

Okay let me start off by saying this. What a load of crap. Jack did no judge you in anyway. He just pointed out how sad it was your a junky and your not able to drive yet.

I did not say he's judging me, the statement was not directional, mearly a point that my non-smoking/toking friends do not judge me on the fact that I chose to smoke/toke - perhaps I could have made that clearer in my post.

Hm.. I'm taking into account that your "Personal troubles and social situations" are getting caught doing drugs, or some other immature actions that got your license revoked. Thus leading us with less pitty for you.

No, actually, "Personal Troubles" was reffering to some rather harsh family troubles I have suffered in the last year, toking helped illeviate the downer that put me on - I'm rather glad I chose that as apposed to alcohol, as the year could have ended up much much worse.
And social situations as referring to the fact that in the last year there, me and my friends have been to parties pretty much every week, where many have all sorts of drugs, and so dope has become much more easily accessed.
I have not been "caught doing drugs", my mum allows me to do so aslong as its outside the house - which I believe is a smarter move than being ignorant and then in an emergancy not know what could be in my system - she knows I wouldnt touch anything else.
"Or some other immature actions that got your license revoked"
What license? I'm 16, I cannot drive anyway, and as for "Immature Actions" .. ehh naw, I'm into having a good time I don't have time for shit like that anymore, left stuff like fighting, vandalism etc behind when I was 14 after an incident which if you wish to hear, id be happy to share, although I shalln't post it just now as it is irrelevant to the topic.

You take pride in that your not that much of a junky yet. That's nothing to be proud of my friend.

Around here, a junky is known as someone who is addicted to hard drugs (heroin, crack, coke) and the image brought to mind is of someone who steals to feed their habit - I dont know if that is the same opinion as shared by you/people in your area.
I have the self control not to try such hard drugs - ive tried coke but I thought it was shit and a waste of money, and so shallnt try that again, the other two carry such a stigma with them that i would never allow myself to touch either.

We never told you that you where told to? It is not a great social drug. When I did it all I did was stare at a firepit the entire night and I probably lost a few lines of my sight

Well, everyone has a different high I guess, and what do you mean firepit?

There is tons more funny things you could be doing. Like drinking, going ot the movies, play on the computer. Look at that! Three things I'd rather do than smoke. I've done my most creative things not being stoned. Yay for me!

LOHL. Funneh.
"like drinking" - nah, I dont like being out of control - its fair enough at parties or at the pub/club - a place with lots of people and a good atmosphere - I wouldn't drink just to chill - thats a bad trap to get into, as alcohol is arguably far worse than cannabis in both its long and short term effects, for example - who do you know who, whilst on cannabis alone, has beaten their wife, kid, or started a fight, assaulted someone randomly/for no reason. Liver cancer seems to be a far worse disease than lung cancer (from the images of George Best on his deathbed, aswell as family members, thats enough to put me off drinking very regularly).
I go to the movies regularly its fun, but even more so when stoned .

I don't believe he ever posted, "WTFMANOMG." ever..

Nor do I - one thing we agree on - "WTFMANOMG" was a generalization of his attitude not a literal quote of what he has posted.

I thought we established that he doesn't smoke. So he can't rumble that into his joint (He doesn't own one.) and smoke it (He doesn't smoke.). Oh and he is no hoho.

Funny one..
It was a play on the words "Put that in your pipe and smoke it"
Wtf is a hoho?
I meant hoho as in a deep-voiced santa-style laugh :P


Never heard of Gauntlet 2, any good?
Out of interest - where do you live (i mean roughly so dont be like "uhoh weird glaswegian junky wants to know where I live ")

Cheers,
Seki

[imported_Nike]

First off, that was not meant as a back-up for my argument, it was simply a point of interest I thought I might share with those reading this topic, the source was found as on a Wikipedia further reading link found under the search topic of "smoking".
On reading it again, I notice there are several data errors such as using different years used in comparing the life expectancy with the percentage of the population smoking.
So your suggesting that I should just add to the poison?

No i'm not suggesting that, I'm just saying that even if smoking was totally banned, the amount of traffic/industrial pollution in the air would be just as detrimental to ones health.
I did not say he's judging me, the statement was not directional, mearly a point that my non-smoking/toking friends do not judge me on the fact that I chose to smoke/toke - perhaps I could have made that clearer in my post.
No, actually, "Personal Troubles" was reffering to some rather harsh family troubles I have suffered in the last year, toking helped illeviate the downer that put me on - I'm rather glad I chose that as apposed to alcohol, as the year could have ended up much much worse.
And social situations as referring to the fact that in the last year there, me and my friends have been to parties pretty much every week, where many have all sorts of drugs, and so dope has become much more easily accessed.
I have not been "caught doing drugs", my mum allows me to do so aslong as its outside the house - which I believe is a smarter move than being ignorant and then in an emergancy not know what could be in my system - she knows I wouldnt touch anything else.
"Or some other immature actions that got your license revoked"
What license? I'm 16, I cannot drive anyway, and as for "Immature Actions" .. ehh naw, I'm into having a good time I don't have time for shit like that anymore, left stuff like fighting, vandalism etc behind when I was 14 after an incident which if you wish to hear, id be happy to share, although I shalln't post it just now as it is irrelevant to the topic.
Around here, a junky is known as someone who is addicted to hard drugs (heroin, crack, coke) and the image brought to mind is of someone who steals to feed their habit - I dont know if that is the same opinion as shared by you/people in your area.
I have the self control not to try such hard drugs - ive tried coke but I thought it was shit and a waste of money, and so shallnt try that again, the other two carry such a stigma with them that i would never allow myself to touch either.
Well, everyone has a different high I guess, and what do you mean firepit?
LOHL. Funneh.
"like drinking" - nah, I dont like being out of control - its fair enough at parties or at the pub/club - a place with lots of people and a good atmosphere - I wouldn't drink just to chill - thats a bad trap to get into, as alcohol is arguably far worse than cannabis in both its long and short term effects, for example - who do you know who, whilst on cannabis alone, has beaten their wife, kid, or started a fight, assaulted someone randomly/for no reason. Liver cancer seems to be a far worse disease than lung cancer (from the images of George Best on his deathbed, aswell as family members, thats enough to put me off drinking very regularly).
I go to the movies regularly its fun, but even more so when stoned .
Nor do I - one thing we agree on - "WTFMANOMG" was a generalization of his attitude not a literal quote of what he has posted.
Funny one..
It was a play on the words "Put that in your pipe and smoke it"
Wtf is a hoho?
I meant hoho as in a deep-voiced santa-style laugh :P
Never heard of Gauntlet 2, any good?
Out of interest - where do you live (i mean roughly so dont be like "uhoh weird glaswegian junky wants to know where I live ")

Cheers,
Seki

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In that entire post I don't see any.. arguing going on lol.

I actually agree on some of the things you said. Especially the drinking. That is totally right except I do it. Which makes it better than Cannabis. On the whole "Mom lets me smoke aslong as I'm outside." bit. I doubt your mom says, "SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE!" She probably thinks your not doing it. And if she is allowing you to it. Your mother isn't fit to be a parent. I hope that doesn't offend you. I am just stating the facts. Anyways!

The Gauntlet 2 is a great show. If you like the Real World bit and stuff. It takes people from the Real World and some /*/ show. And makes them do challenges and stuff. Pretty neat.

I live in Ohio my area thinks junkies are pot. coke, crack. A firepit is a ... pit where a fire is in. Hence the name. Firepit.

Edit: Also Wiki isn't a realiable source. Anyone can create a website on there and say what they want. See look at this!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRUGSAREALLLEGAL%21