thanx, the expression is really what i was going for, but what pisses me off is that the rest of him doesnt go with it and also, i did that drawing in the car, thats why it sucks :-p the heart drawing actually was not as easy as it looked, the only thing i dont really like on it is the text, i spent quite a few minutes using long strokes to get that texture. i layered black then red then black then red then black then red to get it filled properly and im still not quite pleased. i think im gonna add a shadow. its not done, i also wanted to do a bullet hole or something and thats why it's "empty"