thx immo, i was trying some diff stuff out, seeing how it looked, just wanted to get some feedback, and yes the face is obviously gonna be the focal. the burned look is something im trying out, now that i see it on my other comp i can see that too, i'll try reduceing that. thx. the bg started out really bright and vibrant, i just kept darkening, and making it monotone to see what it could look like. not too good i guess, lol