TX for the info you have been more help then any other forums.. And your right for my inexperience in designing i push to make the most appealing project that i can imagine.. i know this layout needs some work im just trying to get a feel for it trying to learn as i go along.. its a project i do when i dont work.. so i try to learn and do what i can with the resources i have.. i appreciate all your incite you have given me.. .. Now that being said if i give the PSD can we make this a GFX project to make changes and maybe see what we can do to improve it.. GFX can use the project after for w/e if you want to code it slice it etc etc .. Like ClanTemplates.. Its up to you guys.. i have the PSD ready to DL..