My first Vector

[KidBuu]

meh, and you know why it can be resized invariably w/o losing image quality?
Or do you know why it is called vexel? dont gimme a lame answer like, because it is made in photoshop, its vexel.

anyways, vector, vexel, raster, it all turns to one thing when you compose it in a viewable format. You have to ultimately rasterize it for the output, so it doesnt matter whether you use photoshop or illustrator or any other damn software to make vectorised potraits/vexel potraits. And vector isnt an element, its a format.

You guys are debating here? that guy just asked how is his first vector, give him a damn cnc lmao.

As for the image, you used pen tool pretty good. You made it in photoshop? if yes, then burn some areas where you think the shadw will fall and doge some areas for highlights, It will be easier than making shapes

[Takken]

Vexel is raster. Vector is well, vector. I know what I speak of.

Vector uses vector layers. Yes you have to rasterize for the final output but with using the vector layers, you can resize indefinitely without losing quality. I use Illustrator to create my stuff and because its sheer vector, I can resize my final image however I like and then send it to photoshop for the output. And the best thing is it does not lose quality.

Also, vector layers are extremely editable, especially in Illustrator, in contrast to raster, which are not. So yes, in a sense, it does matter what program he used but not that important, not as important as what format of layering he used. If he used raster, IT IS NOT VECTOR! ITS VEXEL. If it did not matter, they might as well take out the classifications on DA to specify. I do agree with you on the point it ultimately becomes raster in the end.

And I did CnC. Not too sure if this comment was mainly directed at me. Also, in order to burn the areas, it needs to be in raster form, A.K.A making it vexel! =]

[KidBuu]

lmao, you can resize vector shapes invariably because they are based on mathematical calculations and not pixel based. You cannot expand a pixel, but since there are no pixels in mathematical calculations, you can stretch to whatever size you want using the numbers.

And vexel isnt raster. Vexel is vector, made in raster. I dunno why you are bent on that 'layers' word.

And yah raster layers are more editable than vector layers, except in terms of resizing. But thats not the point here. Layers doesnt matter, what matters are shapes, and if you make a shape in photoshop, you can expand it to any length w/o losing quality[i.e. making some adjustments]

ANYWAYS ILLUSTRATOR IS BOOOOORING~~~~ as long as i use it hahaha.


[side quote] why do we both have apathy's quote in our signature? [/side quote]

[Takken]

lmao, you can resize vector shapes invariably because they are based on mathematical calculations and not pixel based. You cannot expand a pixel, but since there are no pixels in mathematical calculations, you can stretch to whatever size you want using the numbers.

And vexel isnt raster. Vexel is vector, made in raster. I dunno why you are bent on that 'layers' word.

And yah raster layers are more editable than vector layers, except in terms of resizing. But thats not the point here. Layers doesnt matter, what matters are shapes, and if you make a shape in photoshop, you can expand it to any length w/o losing quality[i.e. making some adjustments]

ANYWAYS ILLUSTRATOR IS BOOOOORING~~~~ as long as i use it hahaha.


[side quote] why do we both have apathy's quote in our signature? [/side quote]

I disagree with that sentiment. An mis-understanding maybe? XD (I mean myself and not you)

I stress on the layers because that is where the line between vexel and vector are made. =]

BTW, i'm, enjoying debating about this. Lets have some fun before Solaris arrives and ruins it XD


Lol. Dunno. Maybe as evidence to portray his true feelings XD

[MeeW]

well this picture is made in Adobe Illustrator but i opened it up in photoshop and resized it!

[Soap]

meh, and you know why it can be resized invariably w/o losing image quality?
Or do you know why it is called vexel? dont gimme a lame answer like, because it is made in photoshop, its vexel.

anyways, vector, vexel, raster, it all turns to one thing when you compose it in a viewable format. You have to ultimately rasterize it for the output, so it doesnt matter whether you use photoshop or illustrator or any other damn software to make vectorised potraits/vexel potraits. And vector isnt an element, its a format.

You guys are debating here? that guy just asked how is his first vector, give him a damn cnc lmao.

As for the image, you used pen tool pretty good. You made it in photoshop? if yes, then burn some areas where you think the shadw will fall and doge some areas for highlights, It will be easier than making shapes

A vector is a set of mathematical coordinates. Every time you increase the size of a vector in illustrator, the computer recalculates the shape so you can increase or decrease its size infinitely. That's why people use illustrator, after all. Basically a vector is a mathematical equation in image form.

Photoshop uses rasters. A raster is just a series of pixels. Nothing more. When you increase the size of a raster beyond its' original size, it becomes pixelated and horrible because PS doesn't calculate vectors.

and a vexel? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics

[Soap]

well this picture is made in Adobe Illustrator but i opened it up in photoshop and resized it!

Uhh...why did you need to do that?

[Jeff]

PS is capable of true vectors in the form of shape layers. This is different from vexels and rasters. It's obviously not as versatile as Illustrator, but the basic capability is there.

The art isn't bad for a first but it looks a bit bland. Some shadows and highlights could probably improve it. They don't have to be overly complex, but simple one or two level shading can make a big difference. You could do a more interesting crop too -- dead center is often boring.

[Chris]

PS is capable of true vectors in the form of shape layers. This is different from vexels and rasters. It's obviously not as versatile as Illustrator, but the basic capability is there.

To add onto this...the conversion to raster comes when you "rasterize" a layer, or you export to a raster format like jpg. PNG, when used with fireworks, can retain vector data, but you have to resize it in a vector IDE, you can't just take the PNG image and resize it (because it would then be rasterized). If you keep a shape [unrasterized] in its original vector format in photoshop (with the hard dark border around it), you do indeed have a true vector shape.

Before everyone flies off the handle, read what Jeff and I said. If you don't think any of this information is accurate, I implore you to research it. This debate has happened too many times to give it credence for more.

The fact of the matter is this: Photoshop and Illustrator (and flash and fireworks) all offer the ability to create vector. The defining point is that illustrator is the most logical choice when you want to create a vector and be able to retain control of the file. Photoshop is designed for raster. Illustrator is designed for vector.

well this picture is made in Adobe Illustrator but i opened it up in photoshop and resized it!

Yeah, a good question for this is...why? LOL

Kind of defeats the purpose of doing it in illustrator if you're going to resize it in photoshop...